War on Photographers

This is a new sheriffs vehicle I surreptitiously snapped at a gas station in my semi rural locale. I'm quite sure that if the cop had seen me taking pics with my dslr he would have hassled me.
The officers wear camo to match the machine gun turrets...

I'm certain these new military toys aren't here to protect "us."

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Another pet peeve of mine... law enforcement "macho" escalation. The average police officer in one of the cities I once worked for always dressed in tactical gear, automatic weapons, camo ATVs, and crazy vehicles like that.

Where I live now, the PD is okay... just their stupid attitudes when they block our street checking licenses and acting tough while asking whose car I am driving (my wife's, she is sitting next to me); where are we going? Checking tags, insurance, all on a residential street. Not once but for two weeks last summer. They protect and serve...yeah, themselves, it appears.

Others that have come to my door at night or even day when we have had an emergency have been very professional and courteous. Models of how the others should have acted.:angel: If I remember, it is the older ones that have actually been nice and helplful.
 
Yikes Jack where is that? Southern CA? I'd be kinda annoyed if my property taxes went to "police cars" like that. I rarely interact with the local police here, but every time I have they've been polite and pleasant folks.

We have a fair bit of interaction with US Border Patrol here and they can be kinda full of themselves at times. Last time we came back from Quebec we were sent to the parking area and given a lecture about import duties as our ID, profiles, reciepts and etc were checked (we'd purchased a bookcase at Ikea). Then the lesson continued while the car was gone through. The lecture ended with "of course all furniture is exempt from duty". I had my camera on my shoulder but I would never have dreamed of even trying to make an exposure. A 15 minute delay is long enough.

A former colleague now works for the Border Patrol, and he was there in the facility that day. While we were being questioned in an intimidating manner I could see and hear him laughing and talking in a friendly way with some Canadians who were coming across and being 'approved'. There is a better way to deal with this stuff.
 
Well, glad the FBI had sense.

I had a reasonably similar situation with some wally when a movie was being filmed near me; he claimed the film company had temporary copyright on the buildings (!) and demanded I delete my (crappy, worthless) shots or hand over the memory card. In the end he called over some cops; I explained politely (I saved it for them) that unfortunately I would not hand over the pics, or give them my address, and suggested they phone the station for guidance. When they did so, they agreed with me.

By then I had lost about an hour of my life for an entirely worthless photo or two which I deleted when I got home. Oh well.
 
it (the questioning) has gotten so repetitive i, a usually VERY good natured lad, have resorted to 'get lost' lately. i just don't have the patience for the whole thing.

UNLESS of course, said behaviour will get me shot. then i'm a wee bit more cordial.

i was in Bangui (Central African Republic) recently and it took about two hours from arrival to get arrested. out came the camera... out came the cops. arrested, briefly, at border of Kosovo and Serbia. arrested in Lagos, Nigeria. questioned in Germany.

it's gotten comical
 
I was once taking photos of a brand-new sports facility at a local university that was just about completed. The campus security, having watched me for a few minutes without confronting me, decided that what I was doing was suspicious and called the cops. Four cops in two cruisers arrived and began yelling at me. I started walking over towards them to respond to their questions when they screamed stop where you are and put your hands on your head. One cop even pulled a gun on me, and I had not even opened my mouth yet. I was (at that time) a 22 year old student myself by the way-- what if I were a student there? They proceeded to search through my car, throwing everything on the ground. Once they had enough of searching, they allowed the conversation to begin. They let me stand up off of the curb and out of the wall of policemen surrounding me to speak with the officer in charge. He asked me some questions which I answered and they left me with a warning to never step foot on the campus again, an hour and a half of my time wasted, and a mess of my possessions (from my car) all over the ground in the parking lot.
Crazy.
Then again, I have been pulled over for speeding 9 times and have never been written up or issued a ticket (including once when I was going 130 in a 55)...
 
TY I have been telling people that we are moving towards or are in the state of neo fascism. Ill say no more as I will get too political except for one thing you can be prosecuted in the UK for photographing or videoing a police officer.

They are trying to institute the same restrictions in the US. As it turns out, cops don't like graphic evidence of their wrongdoing.

Randy
 
Yikes Jack where is that? Southern CA?

I live in rural Central Florida where there are no large cities, or any likelihood at all of organized insurrection or mob violence, yet cops are being outfitted with all sorts of paramilitary equipment and training...

A rhetorical question... Why are the police being outfitted in miitary camouflage gear?
 
I live in rural Central Florida where there are no large cities, or any likelihood at all of organized insurrection or mob violence, yet cops are being outfitted with all sorts of paramilitary equipment and training...

A rhetorical question... Why are the police are being outfitted in miitary camouflage gear?

This maybe?

... apologies to our German members, I realise it's historic, and as we know other dictatorships are always available to those who don't oppose them
 
Ill say no more as I will get too political except for one thing you can be prosecuted in the UK for photographing or videoing a police officer.

Thankfully, this is no longer true.

"It would ordinarily be unlawful to use section 58A to arrest people photographing police officers in the course of normal policing activities, including protests because there would not normally be grounds for suspecting that the photographs were being taken to provide assistance to a terrorist. An arrest would only be lawful if an arresting officer had a reasonable suspicion that the photographs were being taken in order to provide practical assistance to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.

"There is nothing preventing officers asking questions of an individual who appears to be taking photographs of someone who is or has been a member of Her Majesty’s Forces (HMF), Intelligence Services or a constable so long as this is being done for a lawful purpose and is not being done in a way that prevents, dissuades or inhibits the individual from doing something which is not unlawful."

All from the Met guidance on photography. THey do have the right to look at images on your camera, though, to ensure they're not useful for terrorism purposes. (Useful thing, terrorism).
 
I don't think this is true. Any proof of this?

In IL there are several cases that have been brought against the police for basically arresting people who photograph them ( usually video ). IL has a law which makes it a crime to do so. I'm fairly certain that other states have them, as well.
 
Wouldn't video and still photographs be seen as two different things ...

You cannot photograph the Police in IL? That's sad...and two other states as well. In NYC you can blatantly do so... so I figured you can do it anywhere.
 
I live in rural Central Florida where there are no large cities, or any likelihood at all of organized insurrection or mob violence, yet cops are being outfitted with all sorts of paramilitary equipment and training...

A rhetorical question... Why are the police being outfitted in miitary camouflage gear?

These may help to give some clues...

http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=529
http://http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/09/opinion/navarrette-militarized-police/index.html
http://americaswarwithin.org/articles/2011/12/21/local-police-stockpile-high-tech-combat-ready-gear

The reasons "why" are more dark and simple....
 
I got stopped once by a city cop. He seemed dissapointed that he couldn't find drugs or anything else to arrest me for. I've been walking everyday to fight this vertigo I've been experiencing, so when I walk I stagger like i'm drunk. I walked past a cop parked along the road & I was sure he was going to check me out but to my suprise he didn't.

I'd like to have a job with the FBI to go around meeting photographers. Get to see some cool gear.🙂


See a chiropractor. Seriously, they can adjust the small bones in your middle ear with the appropriate tug on the earlobe. It worked for me after 2 weeks of serious vertigo.
 
Entering an obviously private business or climbing over a fence is one thing, walking along a road and crossing onto private property with no indication that one has done so is another.
Valid points. It's the owner's responsibility to mark private roads and land as such, although we're still trespassing if it isn't marked. As I mentioned before, even an empty lot or field is usually privately held, the degree of security (signs, fences, guards, barbwire-topped walls and controlled access) doesn't make it any less so, but the lack of signage provides valid deniablity of knowingly trespassing, until the owner or representative informs you of this.


Far too often here in the US it seems that Security Guards assume that looking at private property is an offense.
I had a reasonably similar situation with some wally when a movie was being filmed near me; he claimed the film company had temporary copyright on the buildings (!) and demanded I delete my (crappy, worthless) shots or hand over the memory card.
Both perfectly illustrate what I said about a guard's knowledge and understanding. More often than not, their manager or supervisor has no clue about what they can or can't do. That ignorance is passed on to the guard and results in them "behaving badly", even when they think they are in the right, or at least acting in the best interests of their employer. Ignorance is no excuse, but it explains a lot.


This is a new sheriffs vehicle I surreptitiously snapped at a gas station in my semi rural locale. I'm quite sure that if the cop had seen me taking pics with my dslr he would have hassled me.
Probably no more or less than if you were taking photos of someone standing at their vehicle and pumping gas the same way. More so because of how you took the photos than the subject. Why be sneaky about it?

I'm certain these new military toys aren't here to protect "us."
Actually, yes, as marked on the side of the vehicle. Look up SWAT and it's purpose. Is it this Lake County?

Another pet peeve of mine... law enforcement "macho" escalation. The average police officer in one of the cities I once worked for always dressed in tactical gear, automatic weapons, camo ATVs, and crazy vehicles like that.
You can thank Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, and Seung Hui Cho for part of that.

Where I live now, the PD is okay... just their stupid attitudes when they block our street checking licenses and acting tough while asking whose car I am driving (my wife's, she is sitting next to me); where are we going? Checking tags, insurance, all on a residential street.
"Revenue Traps", used by municipalities to collect more funding through citations for no insurance, seatbelts, expired registration, etc.
At least one provided some humor, as the driver in the vehicle next to me, an insurance rep in a company vehicle, complete with the insurance company's logos on every side of the car, couldn't find the vehicle's proof of insurance card.

And since this thread is now far down Off Topic Road.
 
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