was i sold a returned black M8 from B&H ?

[ffttklackdedeng]

But to buy low, sell high, and in the process hide the weenie ... no, I don't think that's ethical. Do you?

Hi Mike,

I think the only weenie is of psychological kind here. Like buying a car sold as 'new' where someone made a 10 mile test ride with it. Almost sure no harm done but somehow the buyer feels cheated

 

[dcsang]

All I know is that if I am paying for something that is $5,000 from a store (or online) and it is supposed to be new but it obviously is not - and using the case of an automobile doesn't jive here since I don't know of any camera shops that take each and every camera out of the box to test it; clean it; install accessory packages or floor mats or 3rd party stereos into it before shipping it or handing it over to a customer - I would feel slighted or cheated and would be hard pressed to buy similar items from the same store (or online).

Now, if this doesn't bother you, then fine. More power to you.

But I know that on Ebay there are many many many folks who have sold (and bought) items just as I have stated - described as new but clearly not new - and that usually leads to negative feedback for the seller because they are seen as being unethical in their business dealings.

The problem here isn't so much reselling it on Ebay; it's reselling it HONESTLY on Ebay. I can tell you that if you do that you may get more than you paid for the camera or you may get less because people will wonder why this came from B&H as a NEW item when it clearly wasn't new.

The question is, would you disclose such a thing to potential buyers in your sale? Would you state that you had ordered an M8 and received one from B&H but you found out that there had been 53 images snapped away on the camera and now you just don't want it so you're selling it on here (ebay) ? Do you not think that would affect the final sale price?

Maybe it won't, for someone like Plasmat since this wouldn't bother him but for others it may.

Dave

 

[Jamie123]

I once ordered a few lenses from B&H (I live in Switzerland) and one of them hat a fingerprint on the barrel and the lens cap was loose when I took it out of the box. Obviously I didn't return it since the shipping would have been too high and there really was no problem with it.

Nevertheless I was kinda pissed. I think they do this intentionally with customers that order online because they know that they're less likely to return the item.

 

[RogerDunham]

unexpectedly a black M8 showed up on my door step this morning. i had ordered one a while back, but didn't receive any shipping notices.

the camera and packaging looked pretty good, but the battery was fully charged and the file numbering started at 53.

does leica take test shots before shipping the camera?

otherwise, anyone from here return a black M8 to B&H? want to tell me its history?

Has to be a return or used in the store or by Leica...since the first shipment went out weeks ago and no additional cameras have been released?It will not matter its going to Solms anyway

 

[Joe Mondello]

B&H's return policy clearly states that to return a camera it must have less than 200 shutter activations and have all the other bits and pieces in as new condition.

One reason I buy at B&H is their liberal return policy -- which I have certainly used when I needed to.

I think if you buy where there is a liberal return policy, you really must assume the likelihood of getting a lightly used return yourself.

I am certain that I have -- on rare occasion -- received a piece of gear from B&H which had been tried and returned for a reason other than a defect. Defective goods are returned to the manufacturer, but "change of heart" is not a defect. If the goods were in fact defective, I'd return it, and B&H knows that.

For me it is simply the cost of doing business with a very reputable firm who will take merchandise back should I choose to return it.

 

[Trius]

Joe et al: If one wishes, can't one simply request a NIB (i.e. sealed, never used, etc.) item when ordering?

 

[Magnus]

Joe et al: If one wishes, can't one simply request a NIB (i.e. sealed, never used, etc.) item when ordering?

that is exactly what I always do, I request factory sealed products when ordering new stuff on-line. You often get the reply that they have to take it out to test it..... fine with me but then I don't buy it.

 

[rvaubel]

Hi Mike,

I think the only weenie is of psychological kind here. Like buying a car sold as 'new' where someone made a 10 mile test ride with it. Almost sure no harm done but somehow the buyer feels cheated

I had the displeasure of paying full price for a demo RD1 that had almost 600 shots on it. Of course it had the full warrenty, boxes, etc but it was aell used demo. The reason that I did it was the rangefinder was perfectly aligned and the NIB models weren't. Goes to show, that at least in the case of the RD1, sometimes a proven demo is worth more than a unproven NIB.

My dad always said to buy a one year old car and let the other guy work out all the bugs. some truth tio that

Rex

 

[ywenz]

My dad always said to buy a one year old car and let the other guy work out all the bugs. some truth tio that

Rex

A one year old car will be thousands less than a brand new car. Would you pay brand new price for a car with 15K miles on it?

 

[rvaubel]

A one year old car will be thousands less than a brand new car. Would you pay brand new price for a car with 15K miles on it?

No, but I paid a new camera price for an RD1 with 800 exposures on it that was at least a year as demo. The situation was unusual because of a dearth of well aligned RD1s. But still, I doubt if I would really care if my NIB camera had been checked out by some camera store employee. That different than getting a reject from a customer.

Rex

 

[Ronald M]

Some items are not returnable, autos being one. If you get a defect, there are warantee and merchantability provisions provided by the manufacturer.
The retailer should not accept these back to be resold as new.