Welta weltur 6x9

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hi, my folding are an Agfa Super Isolette and a Voigtlaender Perkeo II, which I love. for the 6x9 format, I really like the Welta Weltur. Someone uses it? It is very difficult to find one unfortunately. Antonio
 
I haven't tried this camera. If you like 6x9, there also is a Kodak Vollenda 620, Zeiss Ikon Ikonta, Mess Ikonta and Super Ikonta, Agfa Record III and Voigtlander Bessa.
 
I am also looking from time to time at ebay to find a Welta Weltur in 6x9.
It looks as the 6x4.5 version is much more present there.
Please keep in mind that they are pre war and have an uncoated lens - which is not bad at all, but will give you lower contrast pictures.

Here a few examples with an uncoated Tessar lens at a Super Ikonta C 530/2:


Super Ikonta 530-2_02_Fomapan 100_004 von thomas.78 auf Flickr


Super Ikonta 530-2_03_Fomapan 100_001 von thomas.78 auf Flickr


Maybe you already found it, but here is an article about the Welta Weltur:

http://arukucamera.net/folders.html



The soviet version of the Super Ikonta C, the Moskwa could also be a interesting option. The Moskwa 5 does not have the promlems of the albada finder (this is a problem of the 531/2) and the focusing scale at the lens is bigger and easier to grab.
(I was lucky to get a mint and CLA'ed Moskwa 5 for about 100 €)
 
ZeissFan said:
I haven't tried this camera. If you like 6x9, there also is a Kodak Vollenda 620, Zeiss Ikon Ikonta, Mess Ikonta and Super Ikonta, Agfa Record III and Voigtlander Bessa.
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I like agfa rekord III and mess ikonta 6x6. The disadvantage is the uncoupled rf. I have a perkeo and I like it very much. Not so for me at least haestetically for bessa II (optically excellent of course). I like the sturdiness of weltur, the coupled rf. The uncoated lens may be controlled with a hood and the lower contrast may be useful in creating a dreamy effect.
The 6x9 format is near the 4x5 inches, but the camera is much smaller (obviously large format us another thing for many other reasons other than the negative area).
In darkroom I see a big difference between 6x6 (56x56 mm) and 6x9 (56x90 mm). 34 mm in length!

Best,
Antonio
 
Well, not the 6x9, but I have a 6x6/645 Weltur on the way - my first MF folder, actually. I wanted to try something a bit different and the Welta seemed to have a lot going for it - good Tessar-type lenses, unit focussing, coupled RF combined with VF, reputation for solid build, a bit quirky design... It appears that the 6x9 and 6x6 versions are very similar mechanically.

So I would be interested to hear any comments about using either of these cameras - handling, potential problems to be aware of, sample images. There's not much to be found on the web, it seems.
 
ottluuk said:
Well, not the 6x9, but I have a 6x6/645 Weltur on the way - my first MF folder, actually. I wanted to try something a bit different and the Welta seemed to have a lot going for it - good Tessar-type lenses, unit focussing, coupled RF combined with VF, reputation for solid build, a bit quirky design... It appears that the 6x9 and 6x6 versions are very similar mechanically. So I would be interested to hear any comments about using either of these cameras - handling, potential problems to be aware of, sample images. There's not much to be found on the web, it seems.
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you are a lucky owner.
I love the weltur "quirky design" and the sense of solidity transmitted by this object (also the case is fantastic) witnesses the quality of German-is difficult to obtain. anyone knows the diameter of the filters for the 6x9 model?made '30s. I think the strength of weltur is also higher than that of Zeiss cameras.
Do you have the hood and the yellow filter? Theg are difficult to obtain. anyone knows the diameter of the filters for the 6x9 model? This could help in finding non original hoods, necessary eith a uncoated lens.

Best
Antonio
 
I do also use the Weltur and I like it. Have it with Xenar and with Radionar, depends on what I prefer when choosing the camera. It is a nice and sturdy camera, with lots of details. Since I am also used to LF plate cameras from that era, the focus mechanism or the film counter are not new to me and have extensively used similar systems on other classic cameras.

My 6x9 of choice is a different beast, unfortunately even more scarce than 6x9 Welturs: the Balda Super Pontura. It feels so nice and sits so natural, controls are exactly were one expect them to be... Next to it, the Bessa RF with Heliar has always delivered.

When RF is not that important, then I can't think of any camera that beats the Ensign 8-20. The 8-20 Special is the UCRF model and more or less on par with the Weltur in terms of price and availability. The 8-20 AutoRange is definitely a collector's beast, commanding prices close to 2k Euro.
 
shortstop said:
you are a lucky owner. I love the weltur "quirky design" and the sense of solidity transmitted by this object (also the case is fantastic) witnesses the quality of German-is difficult to obtain. anyone knows the diameter of the filters for the 6x9 model?made '30s. I think the strength of weltur is also higher than that of Zeiss cameras. Do you have the hood and the yellow filter? Theg are difficult to obtain. anyone knows the diameter of the filters for the 6x9 model? This could help in finding non original hoods, necessary eith a uncoated lens. Best Antonio
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I've made many errors in my previous reply.
I think this is more comprehensible:


you are a lucky owner.
I love the weltur "quirky design" and the sense of solidity transmitted by this object (also the camera case is fantastic) witnessing the quality of German-made '30s. I think the strength of weltur is also higher than that of Zeiss cameras.
Do you have the hood and the yellow filter? They are difficult to obtain. anyone knows the diameter of the filters for the 6x9 model? This could help in finding non original hoods, necessary with a uncoated lens.

Best
Antonio
 
Welta cameras remain great bargains as long as they are in decent shape. I have a couple that I very much like using, even though they are not RF. Oddly perhaps, I also really enjoy a non-RF Zeiss 6x9. It takes surprisingly good photos, and is very compact. That 6x9 negative is great.

I have several 6x6 folding non-RF cameras that I enjoy keeping in whatever 35mm camera kit I have. They carry easy and give nice MF photos. I learned to closely guess distance back in the late 50s using a Welta Welti. Great little camera. But surely MF is a fun medium to use. Larger negatives produce better larger enlargements.

If you aren't locked into RF, I think you will find a lot of MF that produce great photos, but RF does have its advantages.
 
BW400CN said:
If you like the 6x9 size and old cams - why not a plate cam? With a rollfilm back you can use 120 film. You can use scale focus with the sports finder or do work precisely with the ground glas and a tripod. Voigtländer Avus 6x9 - Ilford XP2 von Michael Relguag auf Flickr Oilers 69 - Haiming von Michael Relguag auf Flickr Voigtländer Avus 6x9 von Michael Relguag auf Flickr
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Following your advice I have observed avus on the internet, a camera quite charming. I already have a linhof master technika 4x5 (apo sironar 150, imagon, super angulon 90/8, tele xenar) with which I am delighted with the film plane. for this I am very interested to Welta Weltur 6 x 9.
Congratulations for your photos. The lens is surprising.
Best
Antonio
 
congrats shortstop , looks like you got a beauty, apart from the camera which is fine on its own, its not easy to get one with the case, which is a unique thing all by itself , and when you do they are often showing their age, which is acceptable (and natural) and normal but but yours looks like a gem all shiny and chrome, well done!

oftheherd and some others have experience with other models Welta but fewer people get the opportunity to use the Weltur models that have coupled RF . i notice yours has the xenar lens which is a fine lens on that camera, many have the triplet lenses which also produce fine pictures but the xenar and tessar equipped Welturs are about as good as its gets, it out does practically any other folder one could care to match against it, of its era or quite some some decades later imo ...so you got a real prize i reckon
 
chippy said:
congrats shortstop , looks like you got a beauty, apart from the camera which is fine on its own, its not easy to get one with the case, which is a unique thing all by itself , and when you do they are often showing their age, which is acceptable (and natural) and normal but but yours looks like a gem all shiny and chrome, well done! oftheherd and some others have experience with other models Welta but fewer people get the opportunity to use the Weltur models that have coupled RF . i notice yours has the xenar lens which is a fine lens on that camera, many have the triplet lenses which also produce fine pictures but the xenar and tessar equipped Welturs are about as good as its gets, it out does practically any other folder one could care to match against it, of its era or quite some some decades later imo ...so you got a real prize i reckon
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I thank you. I am still very excited about the purchase and I'm in the testing step. The first results are good in black and white. I also have the mask for the 4.5 cm x6! The viewfinder has a built-in frame for 4,5 x6! Wow! is a camera of the '30s. it is exciting to use and is very easy with the coupled rangefinder. Unfortunately I do not have a good scanner and I can not show the quality of the results. My best digital device is iphone...
 
chippy said:
congrats shortstop , looks like you got a beauty, apart from the camera which is fine on its own, its not easy to get one with the case, which is a unique thing all by itself , and when you do they are often showing their age, which is acceptable (and natural) and normal but but yours looks like a gem all shiny and chrome, well done!

oftheherd and some others have experience with other models Welta but fewer people get the opportunity to use the Weltur models that have coupled RF . i notice yours has the xenar lens which is a fine lens on that camera, many have the triplet lenses which also produce fine pictures but the xenar and tessar equipped Welturs are about as good as its gets, it out does practically any other folder one could care to match against it, of its era or quite some some decades later imo ...so you got a real prize i reckon
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Yes Chippy, I do have several Welta cameras, both MF and 35mm, which I really like and enjoy using on occasion. I think you once mentioned in another thread that you have some as well? I think they are some of the better cameras made in their time.

EDIT: I agree that shortstop got a really nice looking camera. BW400CN also has shown some very nice cameras. I envy them. I would like a 6x9 and 120 back as well. I only have a 129 back myself

BTW, were you able to see and perhaps photograph the Prince and Duchess when they were in your area?
 
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