Welta weltur 6x9

oftheherd said:
Yes Chippy, I do have several Welta cameras, both MF and 35mm, which I really like and enjoy using on occasion. I think you once mentioned in another thread that you have some as well? I think they are some of the better cameras made in their time.

EDIT: I agree that shortstop got a really nice looking camera. BW400CN also has shown some very nice cameras. I envy them. I would like a 6x9 and 120 back as well. I only have a 129 back myself

BTW, were you able to see and perhaps photograph the Prince and Duchess when they were in your area?
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yeah, many of them. from some of the first plate cameras they made through to the end of them in east germany. they are not as well known so easy to get and cheaper than the other well known brands, as often as not they are better built than the other big brands of the time too. they certainly work well.

they were just here yesterday and a bit ago but i'm not much interested in celebrities so i'd be the last person to stand around waiting for the royals, i don't give them a second thought really. my daughter has a passing interest in those two because they are always on the news or in the magazines but even she didn't see any point in standing on the side of road to catch a passing glimpse. lol, she happened to say to me yesterday that she wondered what they did with all the flowers they get. instead we went for long country drive in the old 65 mustang FB . they had some main roads blocked off for the couple to do their thing so we took back roads out of town. took a picnic lunch, no cucumber sandwiches! stopped at a number of old towns and saw the sights, war memorials, antique, book shops etc, found some nice out of the way tree studded conservation parks that will make for a fine camping spot some other weekend and had a few drinks at some good ol aussie country pubs, made friends with some regular people instead. so we had a better time i reckon 🙂
 
shortstop said:
I thank you. I am still very excited about the purchase and I'm in the testing step. The first results are good in black and white. I also have the mask for the 4.5 cm x6! The viewfinder has a built-in frame for 4,5 x6! Wow! is a camera of the '30s. it is exciting to use and is very easy with the coupled rangefinder. Unfortunately I do not have a good scanner and I can not show the quality of the results. My best digital device is iphone...
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the mask too! you got almost everything, just need some filters, a shade, perhaps an old instruction manual or two to complete the package 🙂

scanners are a pain. i kinda like your phone pic of the pic, quite a novel way to present (to me anyway) and still shows that its a good picture, some old concrete or brick water trough is it?
 
chippy said:
the mask too! you got almost everything, just need some filters, a shade, perhaps an old instruction manual or two to complete the package 🙂 scanners are a pain. i kinda like your phone pic of the pic, quite a novel way to present (to me anyway) and still shows that its a good picture, some old concrete or brick water trough is it?
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It is a fountain used as a watering place for horses and cows. The place is Testa di Lepre (head of hare, curious name, isn't it? ) near Rome. I've bought two B+W 32 mm filters on ebay (yellow/grren and yellow/orange). I use the hood of my super isolette. Filters and hoods are a pain with folding, because they aren't bayonet like in Rolleiflex. They are precarious and fall easy. I have not found the file of the instruction manual even for a fee. This is not a problem; almost all is intuitive. Wonderful excellent refined and sturdy camera perhaps better than super ikontas 6x9. Surely more usable. The viewfinder is easy also for me wearing glasses and RF is contrasty thanks a yellow filter on the window).
Rare camera. Hope you'll find one if interested.
 
chippy said:
yeah, many of them. from some of the first plate cameras they made through to the end of them in east germany. they are not as well known so easy to get and cheaper than the other well known brands, as often as not they are better built than the other big brands of the time too. they certainly work well.

they were just here yesterday and a bit ago but i'm not much interested in celebrities so i'd be the last person to stand around waiting for the royals, i don't give them a second thought really. my daughter has a passing interest in those two because they are always on the news or in the magazines but even she didn't see any point in standing on the side of road to catch a passing glimpse. lol, she happened to say to me yesterday that she wondered what they did with all the flowers they get. instead we went for long country drive in the old 65 mustang FB . they had some main roads blocked off for the couple to do their thing so we took back roads out of town. took a picnic lunch, no cucumber sandwiches! stopped at a number of old towns and saw the sights, war memorials, antique, book shops etc, found some nice out of the way tree studded conservation parks that will make for a fine camping spot some other weekend and had a few drinks at some good ol aussie country pubs, made friends with some regular people instead. so we had a better time i reckon 🙂
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Wow, a 65 Mustang! Sounds indeed like you had a better day. Sounds like such a great and relaxing day.
 
shortstop said:
It is a fountain used as a watering place for horses and cows. The place is Testa di Lepre (head of hare, curious name, isn't it? ) near Rome. I've bought two B+W 32 mm filters on ebay (yellow/grren and yellow/orange). I use the hood of my super isolette. Filters and hoods are a pain with folding, because they aren't bayonet like in Rolleiflex. They are precarious and fall easy. I have not found the file of the instruction manual even for a fee. This is not a problem; almost all is intuitive. Wonderful excellent refined and sturdy camera perhaps better than super ikontas 6x9. Surely more usable. The viewfinder is easy also for me wearing glasses and RF is contrasty thanks a yellow filter on the window).
Rare camera. Hope you'll find one if interested.
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actually shortstop, i have one with each lens variant, probably one or two extras as well and all the different format Welta Weltur from each year, some Superfekta and Perfekta and many other Welta models of all formats from most every year since they first started. which is why i mentioned about how nice your case was, i know from experience its not easy to get one in such good condition. obviously they are easy to use without instructions, i only mentioned to complete the set might be interesting as it were. with good quality filters i don't have any trouble with them coming off unless i take them off and yes i agree they are way ahead of the super ikonta 6x9, i much prefer using my weltur over the s/ikonta, it gets much better results.

OFH , i didn't think mustangs would be much in the way of wow to you guys, you must see them quite often over there, i would have guessed. they sold 100's ++ of thousands i think, maybe a million if i remember reading it right at some time. they arn't as common here, back in 65 they only sold about 2-300 a year here, since then people have been importing more though. next year ford are going to be selling the new one again here, more or less the first official advertised promotion of the mustang in Oz from ford since the original 65/66 models, sad they are stopping making the aussie falcon though.
 
chippy said:
actually shortstop, i have one with each lens variant, probably one or two extras as well and all the different format Welta Weltur from each year, some Superfekta and Perfekta and many other Welta models of all formats from most every year since they first started. which is why i mentioned about how nice your case was, i know from experience its not easy to get one in such good condition. obviously they are easy to use without instructions, i only mentioned to complete the set might be interesting as it were. with good quality filters i don't have any trouble with them coming off unless i take them off and yes i agree they are way ahead of the super ikonta 6x9, i much prefer using my weltur over the s/ikonta, it gets much better results.

Chippy,
recently I realized how beautiful the Welta. instead you know them for a long time. I am fascinated by my Weltur. say that the photos are better with the Weltur compared to those made with the Ikonta. in what sense? greater sharpness? you could start a thread and post photos of your collection. Do you like the idea?
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chippy said:
actually shortstop, i have one with each lens variant, probably one or two extras as well and all the different format Welta Weltur from each year, some Superfekta and Perfekta and many other Welta models of all formats from most every year since they first started. which is why i mentioned about how nice your case was, i know from experience its not easy to get one in such good condition. obviously they are easy to use without instructions, i only mentioned to complete the set might be interesting as it were. with good quality filters i don't have any trouble with them coming off unless i take them off and yes i agree they are way ahead of the super ikonta 6x9, i much prefer using my weltur over the s/ikonta, it gets much better results.

OFH , i didn't think mustangs would be much in the way of wow to you guys, you must see them quite often over there, i would have guessed. they sold 100's ++ of thousands i think, maybe a million if i remember reading it right at some time. they arn't as common here, back in 65 they only sold about 2-300 a year here, since then people have been importing more though. next year ford are going to be selling the new one again here, more or less the first official advertised promotion of the mustang in Oz from ford since the original 65/66 models, sad they are stopping making the aussie falcon though.
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Well, Mustangs are a popular car to have, and lots of people like to collect/drive the older models as well. We had a guy in my company who bought a 65 and drove into our parking lot when I was young in the US Army. Everyone wanted to see it. I don't know if in Australia, there reported on the recent sinkhole that damaged or destroyed several in the Mustang museum. That got news coverage for several days, and again last week. I think they got the last one out, and it was just a heap of metal. Sad.
 
shortstop, yeah, sharpness, but resolution and contrast as well, prob an aberration or two if memory serves too.

OTH, no i hadn't seen it on the news or anything, it may have been on but i don't always watch the commercial news stations. but i did have a look online just now, the security camera, triggered by the movement sensors, caught it as it happened , wow, that was incredible! unless all car museums are built over sink holes though i think it was the corvette's that sank into the earth. i didn't see the same fate happening to any mustangs. good for mustangs , sad for corvette 😱
 
Chipy,
May be this is due to the "tessar disease" (so named by Jürgen Kreckel alias Certo6) of many tessar lens?
But Weltur mounts Tessar too. Different production lines of Zeiss lens with different tolerance levels? Alignement problems of ikontas?
 
shortstop said:
Chipy,
May be this is due to the "tessar disease" (so named by Jürgen Kreckel alias Certo6) of many tessar lens?
But Weltur mounts Tessar too. Different production lines of Zeiss lens with different tolerance levels? Alignement problems of ikontas?
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no not so called tessar disease (that guy is a salesman), comparing tessar to tessar on each from pre-war cameras. the advantage the Weltur has is its a unit focusing lens .all elements remain fixed and move as one, forward or back to focus, whereas the S/Ikonta even though has a coupled rangefinder is an adaption from second tier cheaper built cameras where they focus by moving front lens elements away from rear element lens. the SI is an incredible piece of machinery i love it just for weird design even if it is flawed and was simply a lazy tacked on after thought by ZI . by 1938 (6x9 Weltur) the SI was at least ten years behind the times technology for a top tier folding camera.

a camera with front cell focusing type of lens has innate disadvantages compared to a unit focusing lens. a front cell focusing lens with person looking at results on their own can look very good, particularly to the uninitiated. but if looked at with exact direct comparisons (film, subject, conditions etc) with a unit focusing lens the difference is notable between s/ikonts and Welta Welturs. many front cell focusing camera do remarkably better than the 6x9 pre-war tessar equipped SI ,particularly post war being coated seems to make an improvement for front cell lenses, for some reason the smaller 80mm (6x6) lenses seem to do better than the 105 etc lenses for 6x9. no specific proof (apart from testing results of numerous lenses) i often wonder/ think that perhaps Zeiss used a better grade of material for their unit focusing tessar lenses than they did for their front cell focusing lenses. there may be other factors as well but for sure there is a difference between unit focusing and front cell focusing.
 
I have one of these pre war 6x9 Welta Welturs. I purchased it off another forum with the hood, and a set of 4 filters. I am just beginning to use and test it, and have only run 3 rolls of Tri-X through it so far. The pictures so far do appear to be better than my previous camera which was a Zeiss Nettar with the Tessar without unit focussing. You can see some results in the Welta group on Flikr.

One interesting aspect I have noticed is that the viewfinder doesn't seem to match the 6x9 aspect ratio. It seems more like 6x7. This doesn't bother me much because my enlarger only covers that the smaller format.

I don't have the 6x4.5 mask for the camera but am very interested in obtaining one. I have even purchased a little piece of tin to prepare to make my own. It would be very helpful to know what the original looked like before I begin fabrication. Could some please post a picture of one of these Welta screens of any format?

I also would like to run a color roll through the camera for a test, but don't know of place that will process 120 color. Any help here would be appreciated. I live in Montana so I don't expect to find anything local.
 
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Ironage said:
I have one of these pre war 6x9 Welta Welturs. I purchased it off another forum with the hood, and a set of 4 filters. I am just beginning to use and test it, and have only run 3 rolls of Tri-X through it so far. The pictures so far do appear to be better than my previous camera which was a Zeiss Nettar with the Tessar without unit focussing. You can see some results in the Welta group on Flikr.

One interesting aspect I have noticed is that the viewfinder doesn't seem to match the 6x9 aspect ratio. It seems more like 6x7. This doesn't bother me much because my enlarger only covers that the smaller format.

I don't have the 6x4.5 mask for the camera but am very interested in obtaining one. I have even purchased a little piece of tin to prepare to make my own. It would be very helpful to know what the original looked like before I begin fabrication. Could some please post a picture of one of these Welta screens of any format?

I also would like to run a color roll through the camera for a test, but don't know of place that will process 120 color. Any help here would be appreciated. I live in Montana so I don't expect to find anything local.
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If you are very quick you can do a Google Image search using :
welta weltur 6x9 mask

On the results page I see 1 image of a Weltur with a mask. Unfortunately not visible on the former ebay sale source page anymore. But still you will get an impression.
 
hanskerensky,

Thanks! That search was helpful. I don't use google but another search engine, and not sure what I tried but didn't get any results. I think I can make one of those! One of the images looked as if it was homemade as well.
 
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