What about the price of Silver?

Jack Conrad

Well-known
Local time
6:49 PM
Joined
Jan 3, 2010
Messages
1,610
I'd say, on the one hand, the rising price of silver affects film production, but wouldn't it also have to have a significant effect on the manufacture of electronic devices as well?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/precious-metals-weigh-on-manufacturers-2011-02-15
Silver prices have soared to more than $30 an ounce from $18 a troy ounce in the last year. Though the world has roughly a 5,000-ton surplus of silver, prices for the metal closed last year at their highest level in three decades, says Suki Cooper, a precious-metals analyst with Barclays Capital.

That is pinching the film industry. For every dollar increase in silver's price per ounce, Eastman Kodak /quotes/comstock/13*!ek/quotes/nls/ek (EK 3.72, +0.06, +1.64%) Co.'s earnings are hurt between $10 million and $15 million, says Brad Kruchten, president of the Rochester, N.Y., company's film group.
Kodak this year started indexing the price of its film to silver prices. "Customers in general don't like that," Chief Executive Antonio Perez told investors earlier this month. But he said customers understand the rationale.

Kodak also continues to enter hedging contracts on silver—essentially, insuring against sharp price increases—and is working to shift toward digital services. The company expects that will reduce the impact to between $5 million and $10 million for every dollar-an-ounce increase in silver's price.

Fujifilm Holdings /quotes/comstock/64e!4901 (JP:4901 2,979, -36.00, -1.19%) Corp. raised prices 10% on its silver-halide photographic paper and print materials in the U.S. The company also increased prices between 5% and 20% world-wide on photographic paper. The Tokyo-based company said surging raw-material prices on items like silver reduced operating income by 9.4 billion yen ($112.8 million) in the latest quarter.
 
Is silver used a lot in electronics? In digital cameras, for instance? Smart phones? Toasters? Anyhow, time to stack up on film I guess.


I'll be buying some nice Agfa APX and Rollei Retro in the next couple of days, my Rodinal loves it, you see...
 
It did not affect film in the times of the Hunt speculation (which created a bigger bump up), other than giving the film manufacturers a pretext for upping their price. Paper is a different matter - a modest sized sheet will already contain more silver than an entire film. But then, print now is inherently art, where marketability will not be harmed by an increase in the material value...
 
It did not affect film in the times of the Hunt speculation (which created a bigger bump up), other than giving the film manufacturers a pretext for upping their price. Paper is a different matter - a modest sized sheet will already contain more silver than an entire film. But then, print now is inherently art, where marketability will not be harmed by an increase in the material value...

Eh? Unless I'm misunderstanding, you're saying, "It didn't affect the price, except that it went up."

I may be misrecalling but as far as I remember, coating weights in g/sm are normally quite a bit higher for film than for paper, though a 35mm film is about the same area as a single sheet of 8x10.

Cheers,

R.
 
During the Hunt Brothers Fiasco, the price of film went way up. I stocked up on Panatomic-X and sold off my Silver Coins. I paid for a Semester of college with $19.

Once prices dropped, I started up my coin collection, and bought some silver bars at $2/oz. I can buy a Fuji X-100 for $75.
 
Perhaps an uprising in Saudi will encourage the motor manufacturers to get their finger out and develop an engine that doesnt use petroleum for power.
 
Silver prices have soared to more than $30 an ounce from $18 a troy ounce in the last year. Though the world has roughly a 5,000-ton surplus of silver, prices for the metal closed last year at their highest level in three decades, says Suki Cooper, a precious-metals analyst with Barclays Capital.

That is pinching the film industry. For every dollar increase in silver's price per ounce, Eastman Kodak /quotes/comstock/13*!ek/quotes/nls/ek (EK 3.72, +0.06, +1.64%) Co.'s earnings are hurt between $10 million and $15 million, says Brad Kruchten, president of the Rochester, N.Y., company's film group.
Kodak this year started indexing the price of its film to silver prices. "Customers in general don't like that," Chief Executive Antonio Perez told investors earlier this month. But he said customers understand the rationale.

Kodak also continues to enter hedging contracts on silver—essentially, insuring against sharp price increases—and is working to shift toward digital services. The company expects that will reduce the impact to between $5 million and $10 million for every dollar-an-ounce increase in silver's price.

Fujifilm Holdings /quotes/comstock/64e!4901 (JP:4901 2,979, -36.00, -1.19%) Corp. raised prices 10% on its silver-halide photographic paper and print materials in the U.S. The company also increased prices between 5% and 20% world-wide on photographic paper. The Tokyo-based company said surging raw-material prices on items like silver reduced operating income by 9.4 billion yen ($112.8 million) in the latest quarter.


And again ... the film is dead for Kodak movement is gaining momentum! 😛
 
It is a driver, but it isn't that big.

If "for every dollar increase in silver, Kodak loses $10-$15M," I assume that the cost of goods solds in the film division goes up by $10-$15M. The cost of goods sold for the Film division of Kodak for the YE 2009 was $1,775M. A $12 increase in the price of silver would increase COGS to $1,925M or about 10%.
 
Back
Top Bottom