What exactly is street photography?

I agree that you need the "eye" Some street are wonderfull, these photographers who do that have "street" in them, benliamin or benjiamin our forumist from spain has the eye, his pictures are truely wonderfull.... But street has become trend, and most don't have it .... but will follow because of the trend, It's not their true belief .... hope you know what I mean...
 
Yes, a guy I know has a €20 point and shoot and takes it everywhere with him and produces some great 'street' photos.

He wouldn't call himself a photographer, he's never hear of 'street', he just takes photos of his mates and people he meets.
 
peterc said:
I'd say there's precious little difference.
But I think that's more individual style. I knew people in the 70s who got the highest speed motor drives they could and just burned film with the expectation that somewhere in all those frames was a good shot. That same mentality is just a little easier to support (financially) with a digital camera. I know people who burn through 4,000 frames a month with a dSLR ... it took me more than a year to reach 4,000 actuations on my dSLR.
I was out with some friends shooting fall colours ... shooting the same scene one of them took 25 shots (chimping each as he went) while I took my time and tripped the shutter once and moved on knowing I had what I wanted.

Ah, but that's what I'm getting at. We would tend to look with disdain at the snap-happy, right? We're more measured, more deliberate, more thoughtful. But our best work standing side by side will be seen and judged by those who do not know anything about us or the happy snapper. And if theirs is better than ours? How now?

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Today, the circunstances are quite differents than in the past. In the First World (I dont like this designation... but for understand us I use it) children dont work in factories, there are a lot of cars (no horses), the clothes, the fashion are different, there are much tourism, the cities are more populated... There are even Image Laws, you cant take pictures to everything what you want... The world, the life has changed... Continue being inequalities, yes.

For that reason, the ´street photography´ cant be like in the 30´s - 40´s... even 80´s... Cartier Bresson in this time cant do their photos, Doisneau in this time cant do their kiss photos, Winogrand, Frank... cant do their work in this time like they made in their time.
Now, ´street photography´ dont exist like in the past. Now exist other photography, other interest, with the image digital, its possible that the photography changed more than in the last century, the form to do photos is too quite different...

I have not defined anything, but say what its NOW (in this time), the street photography its useless... I suppose that now will be Martin Parr one of the heads of the new photo-documentalism ... How the times changes!!!
 
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bmattock said:
Bill, I think we're saying the same thing in different ways. The result is what matters, how you get there is a matter of personal taste.
I suppose if someone was paying and my eating or not depended on getting the shot, autoexposure, autobracket, autowind, autofocus and hold the button down until the technology has done its thing would be the way to go ... and I see a lot of working photogs using this method.
Myself, photography is a hobby (done for relaxation and self-gratification) and I like the challenge of trying to get it right the first time. If I took only one shot and somehow screwed up a scene I really liked, I'll hopefully have learned what mistake not to make the next time.
 
Regarding photography and street photography in particular, over nearly all other forms of art - this is the one that is perhaps the least restrictive to those not of any artistic bent.

I cannot paint, I cannot sing, I do not play an instrument or read music. I can write tolerably well, but many cannot. I understand a few of the basics about photography - the mechanics of my camera and the limits of film, some optics, some theories of composition. And yet, what is this to being able to recognize a moment in time that perhaps has some greater meaning and capturing it in an instant?

Thus, the 'art' is not in mastery of the tool or method, which is the case in so many type of artwork. The art, if you will, is in the eye and mind of the photographer. Their tool need only be able to be aimed correctly and to focus and expose with enough precision to capture that moment. A good point-n-shoot will do that, and the photographer need not have any particular knowledge of the craft of photography.

With regard to Winogrand - he shot so much that he allegedly wore out several M4's in his lifetime. I imagine he'd have gone through a point-n-shoot a fortnight, so no doubt a Leica was his only realistic choice.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
I’ve had to think about this a while.

This thread is about a form of photography that has been identified as an art.

Many great artists have also put out forgettable art. Perhaps this is where Mr Winograd was. Many artists have taken an old canvas they did and painted over it. I think that is where digital shooting is today. When doing ‘silk screen print’ you must look at each print in the series to determine if it is good enough for inclusion. That is what the photographer does when he gets back to his “studio”.

There is also a question of “original” work. Are Ansel Adams prints worth more if they are produced from the museum or less. Or is there no difference? Then there are forgeries attributed to Dali because of his signing blank sheets of art paper. Plagiarism was attributed to Picasso based on his frequent visits to Georges Braque’s studio, something Picasso publicly joked about. So as a photographer you have to be careful not to knowingly sell someone’s photograph as your own if you are merely copying that shot again with your own camera.

Interestingly most valued art has its roots in a well promoted artist and one who is attractive to the media. Afterwards people jump on board. Values begin to increase and we then see a collectors market develop. Then prices begin to escalate. Sort of like the stock market…

So who are the street photographers and what is street photography? They are the ones that the writers and media have selected as street photographers. It’s that simple for me.
 
Jan,

This is the basis of what the movie "Pecker" was about.

However, it can also fairly be said that perhaps all of us have a single great photography in us - one that would stand side by side with the best ever taken. Yet the photographers whom we know as 'great' are able to do it again, and again.

And then there so many of those whom, as you say, are never 'discovered' and never celebrated - and their works goes unappreciated.

That's life.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
jan normandale said:
So who are the street photographers and what is street photography? They are the ones that the writers and media have selected as street photographers. It’s that simple for me.
I'm not sure that the reality is that simple though.
Yes, street has been deemed an art, but it's also a style (more accurately a collection of styles) of photography.
I guess that leaves us with Street Photography (the art) and street photography (the genre) which encompases a lot of what was formerly known as candid photography.

Peter
 
Bill , I’ll have to rent the movie I guess. I agree about ‘undiscovered’ that is what is exciting for me in this upcoming RFF2 book project.

Peter C… I also agree with your commentsl, I was just taking another perspective on the question. I didn’t think my comments were the final word that’s why I closed with ‘for me’

Taffer you engineer… good link
 
jan normandale said:
that’s why I closed with ‘for me’
Yes, what you believe street photography to be is a personal thing.
Defining it is like trying to define music ... some listen to symphonies, others to Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music (for those who don't know it, it's a double album of feedback).

Peter
 
peterc said:
Yes, what you believe street photography to be is a personal thing.
Defining it is like trying to define music ... some listen to symphonies, others to Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music (for those who don't know it, it's a double album of feedback).

Peter
OT but..
heh... Metal Machine... that was actually Lou Reed's attempt to exit his contract with Columbia I believe... you probably knew
 
bmattock said:
Could not have been any worse than Pink Floyd's "Music from the Body." Yikes.
It was much worse. Some reviewers hinted that serious brain damage would be the only consequence of listening to the entire album. The funny part was that it got serious reviews and has actually been re-released.
Only the 8-Track version allows (forces) you to listen to it without breaks.

Peter
 
My favourite Lou Reed story:

A mate of mine joined a monastry.

Every evening the monks took it in turns to choose the music while they ate.

I assumed the music was chants or classical.

But my friend said he chose 'Walk on the Wild Side'. I still laugh when i imagine those monks eating, no talking, listening to Lou Reed.

He also liked Kate Bush, but I don't know if he played that for the other monks.
 
jan normandale said:
...This thread is about a form of photography that has been identified as an art.

For me, I call it "opportunistic photography" rather than "street" because that is a whole lot easier to define and much less contentious. I don't think of it as an art as such.

Even the term opportunistic is something of a misnomer because you end up creating your own opportunities. You can't really wait for luck, you need to create it.

As to what type of pictures fit into the category, I don't see the purpose of restriction. Why not pictures of cows? For some people cows are their life, their street. The street that I personally live in doesn't look much like the typical street shot from New York either. But I live in the suburbs where normally there is nobody about. A few cars maybe. So in order to see things that I mightn't ordinarily see I jump on the train to the centre of town and look for people or situations that interest me. After shooting a few rolls on each type of thing I get bored and look for something else. Because I do this for my own enjoyment the result (at least at the time of shooting) doesn't have much bearing on what I do. I have a purely mechanical approach to "street".

When I get home i process the film, scan, look over what I have. It is there that I look for something interesting. I may have witnessed something funny, interesting or whatever but how well did that translate to the film? Did I stuff up? Quite often there won't be much.

I don't care too much if I get 1 useful shot per roll or 20. There are times when I am hugely inspired when everything seems to work. There are times when nothing seems to work. Spending a lot of time worrying about some guy holding the shutter button down doesn't strike me as useful. Why would I care how that guy does it? I like talking to other 'rangefinder shooters' because I know they are more serious than all-auto shooters about the physical technique. I can learn that from them.

The way I do it and see it, opportunistic photography is about predicting a situation, preparing, waiting for it and then hitting the button at the correct time. In those circumstances all-auto is surprisingly little advantage. Auto-focus is next to useless. Motor-wind (or holding the button down) is actually no use at all, there is only one shot to take and you need to make sure you have it at the correct point in time. Auto-exposure is kinda sometimes useful but you have to know a lot about how your camera behaves to know how to use it., otherwise use manual. Anti-shake isn't going to work except on long lenses and then you have composition problems usually.

Sorry for the jumble of ideas and the rant. I'll continue reading for now 🙂

Thanks,
James
 
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