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My wife is a very acomplished fine art oil painter and each year volunteers a semester of saturdays to work with a high school age student that shows tallent in painting. In the 70's I taught photgraphy on a college level and would like to do it again on a very limited basis. I am only interested in the higher quality student that shows a true love for photography in the areas I work in and love. The great things this "side by side" program, as it's called, offers is a chance for a bright young student to learn hands on with a very experienced perason in the area they are interested and take it well beyond the limits of what they could do in school. This is strictly a one on one program and each mentor has only one student per year. At the end of the semester the mentor will be part of a major art show and auction. The majority of the money from the sale goes to the student and to the educational program made it happen. Money from the sale of an individuals art and reach into the thousand plus range. It can be substantial money for a high school age kid. It's a very fine program!

Most young photo students today know nothing about the basics of photography. Most have only had auto cameras and have no real understanding. In an attempt to change this I was thinking of purchasing a FSU camera like a Zorki or Fed with a elmar 3.5 copy. This is what the student would be required to do all of his or her photography with. They would learn the meaning of F stops, relationship of shutter speeds and F stops and to focus and compose and use a light meter. The student will also learn basic darkroom skills and produce the fine print archivally and mount and finish it for the show. When teaching i will use my Leica IIIC with 50 3.5 elmar just to keep the field level. I think the basics of these cameras will make the student much better in all aspects. At the end of the semester I plan to give the student the camera if they have done a good job and shown they are truly interested. I have a couple of old Feds and like them and feel they are about the equivalent of the IIIC except my Leitz glass is not coated which is fine, I like the look. My question is concerning the models of Fed and Zorki to stay away from. I particularly like the vintage look of the Leica copies but are other models better or worse? Remember i will be ueing my old IIIC. What camera would you teach a student with? I'm a tough teacher and demand a lot from my students.

Thanks,

DD


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DD,


Giving the lessons and the camera are very kind things for you to do.

I have a single thought to share: Don't give a bottom loader! If the student is new to photography, he/she will have to learn a lot of concepts with exposure, composition, and darkroom work. Don't add the frustration of learning to load a bottom loader to that great volume of new things and concepts!

Imagine the frustration of the student, out alone, fading light, trying to keep a dozen things in mind about composition and exposure, and being frustrated with a loading a bottom loader.

A FED 2 is simple, sturdy, inexpensive, and a back loader.
 
Also, consider a faster lens such as a J-8 for this camera. There are certain _challenges_, shall we say, to using a 50/3.5 in lesser light. The 8 is significantly faster and can be gotten very reasonably.

William
 
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DD,


Giving the lessons and the camera are very kind things for you to do.

I have a single thought to share: Don't give a bottom loader! If the student is new to photography, he/she will have to learn a lot of concepts with exposure, composition, and darkroom work. Don't add the frustration of learning to load a bottom loader to that great volume of new things and concepts!

Imagine the frustration of the student, out alone, fading light, trying to keep a dozen things in mind about composition and exposure, and being frustrated with a loading a bottom loader.

A FED 2 is simple, sturdy, inexpensive, and a back loader.

AMEN! A FED 2 with speeds of 1/25 to 1/500 and knob wind say a FED 2 D. There are lot's of them around and if they are in good operating order are about bullet proof. They also have a nice wide rangefinder base GREAT Basic student tool. Dave
 
OTOH, bottom loading was not that hard to learn for me (and probably you too) and IMHO offers a lesser opportunity for light leaks. The FSU side of RFF is abundant with "Help! I have a light leak!" threads.

I like the Zorki.1 / FED.1.

And good for you! This sounds like a fun project that I'm sure both you and the student will enjoy whatever gear you choose. Good luck! Have fun!
 
I also like the FED/Zorki 1. I like them very much indeed. But, for the reasons outlined above, I think the FED 2 is somewhat less daunting and is such a delightful camera in itself, that it really is the obvious choice. However, a known-to-be-good FED 5c, with its uncoupled manual dial-type lightmeter and a bright viewfinder with parallax indication could prove a very convenient package.

The only FED I'd argue against would be a FED 4. The meters are generally worn out and I think that if I were a complete novice, I'd feel happiest knowing I had a fully-functional camera.

Ian
 
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If I may be so bold...Although it doesn't come with a J-8, what about a FED 5V?

Yes, I know that they are a bit ugly and rather ungainly, but they are really cheap and plentiful new in the box. There would little or no second-guessing as to the mechanical shape of one. Although 1-stop slower than a J-8, the I-61 is still a very decent lens.

Just my $0.02

Kent
 
I appreciate everyones help. It looks lioke any clean Fed or Zorki with the exception of the model 4.

I might just use one of mine along with my student. I have a Fed 1 that I love and have a Kiev 4 ( I think, no meter) and a couple of lenses for the Kiev. Each are fun cameras and produce very good results. A nice Kiev might also be a good choice but i've always felt they are a little more prone to problems with the shutter. I've had three and only one works at the moment. I might be wrong but it seems asthough there are fewer problems with the Fed and Zorki Leica copies.

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