chut
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Is there an ideal paper size for printing a 6 x 7 image? If so, what brand do you like to use?
I'm inquiring about both enlarger prints and inkjet prints.
Printing on A4 and A3+ seems to waste a lot of paper on the sides of the image.
I'm inquiring about both enlarger prints and inkjet prints.
Printing on A4 and A3+ seems to waste a lot of paper on the sides of the image.
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Ernst Dinkla
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What kind of 6x7 ?
What kind of 6x7 ?
The 56x68mm variety or the 56x72/74mm variety ?
Prints with borders or without borders?
Ernst Dinkla
What kind of 6x7 ?
The 56x68mm variety or the 56x72/74mm variety ?
Prints with borders or without borders?
Ernst Dinkla
chut
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With borders I suppose.
Is there a name for those sizes? Who makes that size of paper?
Is there a name for those sizes? Who makes that size of paper?
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Enlarger: whole-plate (6-1/2 x 8-1/2 inch) is almost exactly 3x 56x72mm and an enlargement that small can pass for a contact print...
Cheers,
R.
Cheers,
R.
chut
Luceat Lux Vestra
Roger, thanks for the reply, but I meant a paper size for prints made with an enlarger.
Is there a paper size made specifically for 6 x 7 negatives?
Is there a paper size made specifically for 6 x 7 negatives?
Roger Hicks
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That's what I meant: silver halide whole-plate. I think it's still available. And as I say, a 3x enlargement of 56x72 fits the proportions almost perfectly (168 x 216mm instead of 165 x 216mm).
Cheers,
R.
Yammerman
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Ilford do a Multigrade RC version you can get from Morco 100 sheets for £19.
http://morco.uk.com/latest/ilford_multigrade_resin_mgrc.htm
I might give that a try my self rather them blowing them up big.
http://morco.uk.com/latest/ilford_multigrade_resin_mgrc.htm
I might give that a try my self rather them blowing them up big.
ClaremontPhoto
Jon Claremont
You can have borders (they are not wasted space) or cut to preferred size later.
Simple enough.
Simple enough.
Ernst Dinkla
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The sizes I mentioned are the film frame sizes, 6x7 is just not accurate enough. If they have to have a name the 56x72 is Linhof Ideal Format and 56x68 is the Modern Cheap Format aka Bessa III, Mamiya 7 (+-).
In the darkroom 8x10 suits the 56x72 quite nice with borders and without. There will almost always be a cut necessary to get the borders equal. On the printer you face the fact that paper transport of sheets needs at least some white transport area for the end of printing. Either have white borders wide enough to fit that part or take a paper that is longer. There are some manufacturers with 8x10 digital paper (Canon for instance) but most will supply A sizes that have an aspect ratio of 1.41 which is more than 8x10's 1.25 aspect ratio. It may not waste that much in paper cut off if you like small borders or no borders. A printer that can use rolls will be more economic but is more expensive and not all can handle thicker papers well.
A film frame size 56x68mm directs you more to 8x10 papers. More paper waste in the darkroom, less on the printer. Choices of digital 8x10 paper are limited though.
Cropping film frames is possible in the darkroom and in digital workflows
Ernst Dinkla
chut
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Roger, I see what you're saying now. That should work for smaller prints. Any idea who might still sell that stuff?
Ernst, so 8 x 10 for darkroom prints works well? I think I'll give that a shot. In answer to your question, it's 56 x 68 (Mamiya 7).
What about a larger paper size, closer to A3+ (13" x 19") size? Does anybody make a large paper that is close to a 1.17 aspect ratio?
Ernst, so 8 x 10 for darkroom prints works well? I think I'll give that a shot. In answer to your question, it's 56 x 68 (Mamiya 7).
What about a larger paper size, closer to A3+ (13" x 19") size? Does anybody make a large paper that is close to a 1.17 aspect ratio?
Sisyphus
Sisyphus
I just started using a 6x7, and am finally processing a few rolls of film. I have only experimented with making 8x10 prints so far, which have turned out beautiful. Once I find an image that I am really excited about I will start printing 16x20 or 20x24.
I am not sure what you mean if there is ideal size to print 67 negs. I think it is very subjective and just depends on your own personal vision and how large you want to print the image. The 8x10's from the 67 are gorgeous; incredible resolution, detail, and contrast, with very little effort.
If your concern is about fillling up the entire space of the photo paper, with the image, I really would not be too concerned about that. I print images various sizes, like a 5x7 or 8x10 on 11x14 just to have a a lot of space around the image. The idea for me is to print the image the size where it will translate the best. For example, I have a few 35mm images that I really enjoy viewing, however, they fall short technically, mostly out of focus, and the out of focus is not really pleasing. By printing them 5x7 or 6x9, they image is passable. If I enlarge any more than that they will fall apart.
I am not really sure if I answered your question, but I would just experiment and see what works best for you. It is kind of difficult to know what you are hoping for as an end result.
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I am not sure what you mean if there is ideal size to print 67 negs. I think it is very subjective and just depends on your own personal vision and how large you want to print the image. The 8x10's from the 67 are gorgeous; incredible resolution, detail, and contrast, with very little effort.
If your concern is about fillling up the entire space of the photo paper, with the image, I really would not be too concerned about that. I print images various sizes, like a 5x7 or 8x10 on 11x14 just to have a a lot of space around the image. The idea for me is to print the image the size where it will translate the best. For example, I have a few 35mm images that I really enjoy viewing, however, they fall short technically, mostly out of focus, and the out of focus is not really pleasing. By printing them 5x7 or 6x9, they image is passable. If I enlarge any more than that they will fall apart.
I am not really sure if I answered your question, but I would just experiment and see what works best for you. It is kind of difficult to know what you are hoping for as an end result.
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chut
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Sisyphus, I just started using a 6 x 7 as well, which is why I'm asking these questions about paper sizes.
I'm used to shooting 35mm and printing on A4 and A3+ sizes, and the aspect ration of 35mm and these two papers sizes seem to 'fit' well. Meaning the image fills the page with reasonable white borders on all sides.
I realize that it's also good to print a small image on a larger canvas of paper to give an image room to breathe. I will try out printing a 6 x 7 image on A3+ as this is the largest size paper my printer can print on.
I will also try darkroom printing on 16 x 20 and 20 x 24 as you plan to do. Let me know how that works out for you as well.
I'm used to shooting 35mm and printing on A4 and A3+ sizes, and the aspect ration of 35mm and these two papers sizes seem to 'fit' well. Meaning the image fills the page with reasonable white borders on all sides.
I realize that it's also good to print a small image on a larger canvas of paper to give an image room to breathe. I will try out printing a 6 x 7 image on A3+ as this is the largest size paper my printer can print on.
I will also try darkroom printing on 16 x 20 and 20 x 24 as you plan to do. Let me know how that works out for you as well.
Sisyphus
Sisyphus
I am not familiar with the term A3 or A4 paper size, I am assuming that it has to do with digital printing papers?
I will see if I can print one or two this weekend, but I have not found an image that is screaming "print me," "print me large!" I might just take one that is in reasonable technically, and see what it looks like. In general the 8x10s look pretty good though.
like wise, let me know of your results.
Good luck,
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Roger Hicks
Veteran
No, DIN A-series is the international standard paper size series, all halvable: the proportions are 1:square root 2.
A4 is thus 210x297mm; A3, 420x297mm; A2, 420x594mm; A1, 840x594mm; A0 (1 square metre), 840x1188mm.
Cheers,
Roger
Sisyphus
Sisyphus
Roger,
Thanks for the explanantion, I learned something new!
Thanks for the explanantion, I learned something new!
chut
Luceat Lux Vestra
Yes, most countires outside of the US pretty much use the DIN A-series. The proportions of these paper sizes are very close to the golden ratio.
Here's a good summary of paper sizes used around the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size
Here's a good summary of paper sizes used around the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size
Ernst Dinkla
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No
No
No, No, No, seen that comment too often meanwhile.
A4's have an aspect ratio of 1.41, Golden Ratio has an aspect ratio of 1.62. That's as much a difference as between 8x10 and A4.
Ernst Dinkla
No
No, No, No, seen that comment too often meanwhile.
A4's have an aspect ratio of 1.41, Golden Ratio has an aspect ratio of 1.62. That's as much a difference as between 8x10 and A4.
Ernst Dinkla
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chut
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Hmm. You're right Ernst. A4 is indeed still far from the Golden Ratio.
But at 1.41, A4 is a little closer to 1.62 than US Letter size (8.5" x 11") at 1.29 aspect ratio. Closer, but no cigar.
Thanks for clearing up that fallacy.
But at 1.41, A4 is a little closer to 1.62 than US Letter size (8.5" x 11") at 1.29 aspect ratio. Closer, but no cigar.
Thanks for clearing up that fallacy.