Neare
Well-known
Haters gonna hate.
Dylan Hope
Established
I feel he would have been institutionalized had he lived to see the YouTube and social media boom
segedi
RFicianado
I find this uniquely Southern expression most fitting.
Leigh Youdale
Well-known
Does anyone know how he felt about caged battery hens?
Peter_wrote:
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to clarify it once more... this quote is out of a novel from t. bernhard.
so it hasnt to be 100% his opinion. as far as i remember he liked august sander and man ray.
sorry, should had put some more informations about the background in the first post.
the question is: does photography turns nature into a grotesque?
and what is the difference to other kind of arts?
i think there are 2: a painting e. g. can show different aspects of a subject. so a more complete picture of it. while a photograph is so limited to such a restricted moment and view.
and a painting obvisiosly shows that the picture is a product of the artist. so it not only shows the subject, but also includes the artist itself in the picture too and so gets relativised and set in relation to the artist.
there is a difference, if you look ugly in a painting, or you look ugly in a photograph.
with a painting you says: this is my view of the world.
and with a photograph: this is the world. but as this is untrue, it turns into a grotesque...
so it hasnt to be 100% his opinion. as far as i remember he liked august sander and man ray.
sorry, should had put some more informations about the background in the first post.
the question is: does photography turns nature into a grotesque?
and what is the difference to other kind of arts?
i think there are 2: a painting e. g. can show different aspects of a subject. so a more complete picture of it. while a photograph is so limited to such a restricted moment and view.
and a painting obvisiosly shows that the picture is a product of the artist. so it not only shows the subject, but also includes the artist itself in the picture too and so gets relativised and set in relation to the artist.
there is a difference, if you look ugly in a painting, or you look ugly in a photograph.
with a painting you says: this is my view of the world.
and with a photograph: this is the world. but as this is untrue, it turns into a grotesque...
btgc
Veteran
I thought, it's a TV
kokoshawnuff
Alex
this is a very clever thought Peter. I think when people ask if photography can be art (or "fine art") they have it in their mind that a photograph is wholly representative of reality and the world. Understanding that a photograph is not something you can hide behind, but is the manifestation of the photographers p.o.v. like any other art form is how to explain it as art—not just glimpses of the world.
Peter_wrote:
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completly agree. i think art is about transporting your subjectiv state of mind. so it has to involve the artist.
gavinlg
Veteran
I think this is the absolute best description of photography I've ever seen, and I 100% agree with it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention OP!
Peter_wrote:
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maybe gilden is something like the t. bernhard of photography
first u think " what a ****".
but by overdoing an effect he relativises it, and makes in this way a statement about photography itself.
Sejanus.Aelianus
Veteran
It's used a lot in England, these days, abbreviated to "bless".
As you say, most appropriate. :angel:
Nice to meet you Mr. Bernhard
Great portrait!
sojournerphoto
Veteran
If this is photography, and I fear in common view this is photography today, then yes if does turn nature and everything else into a grotesque - a caricature for our amusement.
We can do a lot of that when we trip the shutter too and I've huge empathy for the notion of photographers looking for subjects as compared to enthusiasts looking to share their enthusasm.
Best
Mike
surfer dude
Well-known
Maybe if he had an X-Pro he'd feel differently?
Jack Conrad
Well-known
Nicely said.
Though perhaps it isn't the photograph that's grotesque, but the assumption that the photograph represents the world.
haempe
Well-known
Here the question is: What is reality?
Before we state photography as guilty, we should first ask:
Does our perception of the world turns nature into a grotesque?
BobYIL
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Practitioners of photography are guilty of one of the worst crimes it is possible to commit--of turning nature into a grotesque. ~Thomas Bernhard
Photography records the gamut of feelings written on the human face, the beauty of the earth and skies that man has inherited, and the wealth and confusion man has created. It is a major force in explaining man to man. ~Edward Steichen
Photography records the gamut of feelings written on the human face, the beauty of the earth and skies that man has inherited, and the wealth and confusion man has created. It is a major force in explaining man to man. ~Edward Steichen
haempe
Well-known
Maybe because anyone is interested to re-scrutinize the lazy habits of self perception?
johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
Or, for that matter, of life itself in a philosophical sense.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but in fact everything is in the eye of the beholder. The number of truths is infinite because every observation is an interpretation of something we perceive.
Can't see why I should not depict my observations, like others relay them in speech, sound, behavior, etc.
Mr. Bernhard is entitled to his opinion as I am to mine: much ado about nothing.
bigeye
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I am as interested in self-flagellation as the next guy, but this is simply a contrivance.
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