What went wrong? :-(

I read the priginal thread but didn't have anything to contribute. So you are loading the camera correctly but something is wrong and it may be a linkage. A good technician will find and correct that. I have a 2.8E that I wish was an F 🙁
 
spyder2000 said:
I read the priginal thread but didn't have anything to contribute. So you are loading the camera correctly but something is wrong and it may be a linkage. A good technician will find and correct that. I have a 2.8E that I wish was an F 🙁
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The camera is going back to the repairman (who is Rollei factory trained and so should know what he is doing) tomorrow; he was quite embarrassed when I explained the problem on the phone!
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Monz
 
MRohlfing said:
Are you perfectly sure that you developed the film that was in the camera and not another film never having been in a camera before? :angel:

Michael
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Good thought Michael. The film has definitely been through the camera (I keep all unexposed films in the fridge).

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Monz
 
The film has definitely been through the camera (I keep all unexposed films in the fridge).
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Just a thought - do you really mean to say you wait until the film in your camera is finished and then go all the way back to your fridge to get the next one?

I'm not doubting that you're sure the film in question went through the camera, but I just want to caution against using film straight from the fridge. Film needs to be out of the fridge for long enough to warm up to normal temperature before you open it and use it, or there's a very good chance of you getting condensation on the film.

I keep my film in the fridge too, but I always have 5 to 10 rolls out at room temperature and ready to use, and every time I use a few rolls of that I go back to the fridge and get out some more.
 
If the FUJI markings and numbers are showing the problem is the camera/exposure
Try simulating shooting with the camera opean and see if you can see any light through the lens
Or place a small flashlight behind the lens and look at it from the front.

You may have to get your money back in that CLA


Monz Ahmed said:
Hi Pherdinand,

On one edge of the developed negative are the sequential frame numbers and the words "Fuji" and "100 Arcos" at regular intervals. I think these markings are permanently printed on the negative and would be present whether or not the development was successful.

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Monz
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1.
The markings only show up after development/fixing
If you fix before development the numbers/marking do not show up

2.
Have you used this camera before?
The next time, OVER EXPOSE frame 1 heavily, put it in B and open for a few seconds to have a black frame.
I do not think you loaded the film incorrectly since you pulled it out in the "receiving" rollers fully rolled I suppose.
Could you have loaded the film backwards?

Monz Ahmed said:
Thanks spyder2000. I used both flash and ambient light. The shutter speeds all look correct from 1 sec down to 1/500.

Update: I have just tried loading another roll of Acros 100. This time the crank doesn't stop turning and the whole film is transported to the the top spool without the film counter moving from zero! In other words, the sensing rollers in the loading mechanism are not sensing the thickness of the film, the problem which led to the camera being serviced in the first place!

The previous film (same type) appeared to be tranported correctly with the crank stopping at half turn intervals - hence my previous comment about the film transport working as it should.

Anyway, the camera is going back to the chap who serviced it.

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Monz
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oscroft said:
Just a thought - do you really mean to say you wait until the film in your camera is finished and then go all the way back to your fridge to get the next one?

I'm not doubting that you're sure the film in question went through the camera, but I just want to caution against using film straight from the fridge. Film needs to be out of the fridge for long enough to warm up to normal temperature before you open it and use it, or there's a very good chance of you getting condensation on the film.

I keep my film in the fridge too, but I always have 5 to 10 rolls out at room temperature and ready to use, and every time I use a few rolls of that I go back to the fridge and get out some more.
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Hi Alan,
I keep the unused films on the top shelf of the domestic fridge. When I need to use a new roll, I take it out and usually wait maybe half an our before using it. If I am going out somewhere I grab a few rolls and put them in the camera bag. I haven't noticed any problems yet.
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Monz
 
titrisol said:
1.
The markings only show up after development/fixing
If you fix before development the numbers/marking do not show up

2.
Have you used this camera before?
The next time, OVER EXPOSE frame 1 heavily, put it in B and open for a few seconds to have a black frame.
I do not think you loaded the film incorrectly since you pulled it out in the "receiving" rollers fully rolled I suppose.
Could you have loaded the film backwards?
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Thanks titrisol.
The camera is new to me. It was bought at a camera fair but with my first roll I realised that there was a problem with the film transport (the sensing rollers were not sensing the film thickness correctly). Hence it was sent for a service but it looks like the problem hasn't been sorted. So the camera is back with the repairman. I hope to have some good news soon.

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Monz
 
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OK, I'm a bit late here ...

I understand the 120 film is blank, with a camera you've never really used before. Loading 120 film has it's catches. My take is, either this was not the film you've got in your camera or you've exposed the protection paper rather than the film. I haven't done that the last decade, so please don't ask me details but AFAIK this is possible.

In theory the shutter may not work at all, but that's really easy to check.

Ivo
 
Photon42 said:
OK, I'm a bit late here ...

I understand the 120 film is blank, with a camera you've never really used before. Loading 120 film has it's catches. My take is, either this was not the film you've got in your camera or you've exposed the protection paper rather than the film. I haven't done that the last decade, so please don't ask me details but AFAIK this is possible.

In theory the shutter may not work at all, but that's really easy to check.

Ivo
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Hello Ivo,
Thanks for your input.
The shutter is fairly easy to check and seems to work fine at all speeds.
With a Rollei, it is difficult to insert the film upside down.
The film transport was a problem when I first got the camera and despite a service there was still a problem with the sensing rollers not correctly sensing the thickness of the film and activating the counter and crank brake mechanism (although the first roll after the service seemed to go through okay just to confuse matters). Anyway, the camera is back with the repairman and should be back in a few days. I'll give an update when I get it back.

All the best.
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Monz
 
Monz,

If you forget to slide the film under the roller in the Rolleiflex, there will be no exposures. Could this have happened?
 
raid said:
Monz,

If you forget to slide the film under the roller in the Rolleiflex, there will be no exposures. Could this have happened?
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Hi Raid,
This was my first Rolleiflex, indeed my first TLR, so I read up on the film loading. There is an online manual. The important thing seems to be to put the film between two "feeling rollers." Here are a couple of pictures of how I loaded the film. I gather that this "automatic" film loading mechanism was a big thing when it was first introduced but Rollei dropped the idea with its most recent models.

All the best.
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Monz
 
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The Rolleiflex is back from it's second service. The film transport appears to be behaving with the rollers sensing the film correctly and the film counter moving as it should. I just shot a couple of rolls of Velvia.... now waiting in anticipation to see the results.
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Monz
 
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payasam said:
Did the Rollei Surgeon say anything about what was the matter?
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HI Mukul,

The Surgeon was a bit sheepish! He said that he dis-assembled the film transport mechanism and put it back together again and then tested it with a roll of film. He also re-checked the shutter and said that it was fine. He "couldn't explain" why I got a blank roll. My own feeling is that, there was a problem with the film transport and I probably exposed the backing paper at the end of the film (or even thin air!).
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Monz
 
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