what wide tlr?

[meandihagee]

hello everybody,

i need a wide tlr, that would give somewhat the look of 65mm on a 6x7.

is a 65mm on 6x6 very different from 65mm on 6x7?

thanks

 

[Chriscrawfordphoto]

It won't be quite as wide on 6x6 as on 6x7, since the 6x7 is a wider negative. If you crop the 6x6 to a rectangle, its about the same image area as 645 format, which is a lot smaller than 6x7. You'd probably want a 50 or 55mm on 6x6. The Rollei Wide offers this at an extreme price, or the Mamiya C330 series TLRs offer a 55mm, 65mm, 80mm, amd 135mm interchangeable lenses. That would be my choice, the lenses are cheap, very good, and you can own several lenses for one body! I did my graduation project for art school on a Mamiya C330f. Loved it, had to sell because of poverty in the years after I graduated 🙁 I still miss it, but I was later able to get a Hasselblad, which is nicer but more costly (the 50mm CF-FLE lens I have for my Hassy costs more used than a Mamiya C330f with 55, 65, and 80mm lenses combined!)

I shot these with my Mamiya:

Oh and the Mamiya focuses to a few inches!

Another ultra closeup. This is the door handle on an old car, the first closeup is the car's mirror!

 

[sevo]

i need a wide tlr, that would give somewhat the look of 65mm on a 6x7.

Few wide TLRs exist - so few that even early ones with 75mm lenses (then a common normal) are sometimes now advertised as wide by sellers. As far as I know, your only options (outside rare and probably useless collectibles) would be the Weitwinkel-Rolleiflex (55mm) or the 55mm or 65mm to the Mamiya C series.

is a 65mm on 6x6 very different from 65mm on 6x7?

Technically not, but perceptively the difference is quite considerable - defining the image angle by the diagonal really is flawed, we seem to perceive it by the horizontal, even more so when it comes to typical wide angle subject matter. On landscapes or architecture, 6x6 has the wideness of 6x4.5 horizontals or 6x7 verticals, for identical focal length...

 

[meandihagee]

thanks for the quick replies. i need something wide, because i have to shoot a project in narrow hallways, but without a wide look. i want to have a "flatter" look at the same time, or at least not to create the impression that objects in the picture are far from each other.

 

[sevo]

i want to have a "flatter" look at the same time, or at least not to create the impression that objects in the picture are far from each other.

A long lens would be more suitable for that.

Sevo

 

[Chriscrawfordphoto]

thanks for the quick replies. i need something wide, because i have to shoot a project in narrow hallways, but without a wide look. i want to have a "flatter" look at the same time, or at least not to create the impression that objects in the picture are far from each other.

Any wideangle lens on any format will give the opposite of what you really want.

 

[ray*j*gun]

Chris and sevo are correct ..... a Mamiya C220 will also get the lens job done (long or short) for less money and a stout body!

 

[Thomas78]

... i need something wide, because i have to shoot a project in narrow hallways, but without a wide look. i want to have a "flatter" look at the same time, or at least not to create the impression that objects in the picture are far from each other.

The "flat" vs. "3d" look ist determined by the distance from the camera to the objects.

small distance to objects --> relative difference of distances between objects is high --> 3d-effect

high distance to objects --> relative difference of distances between objects is low --> flat effect

So you need a big distance to your object to have a flat effect, this mens long focal lenght.

 

[meandihagee]

i'm trying to find something in the middle... i shot with a 35mm (on a 35mm camera) but because the corridors are too narrow, everything looks kinda tight, and i really need to get some atmosphere.

i shot with a 24mm also, but all the objects are popping out in front and i'm not after that, let's say reportage look...

i was hoping that medium format will help me capture more, without having to switch from a 35mm lens perspective.

i'm thinking a bigger negative (6x7) and a medium wide (65mm) should do the job, but i can't really afford the mamiya 7 🙂

which gets me to 6x6, where i will probably need to go to a 50mm, as 65mm is on the tight side.

any thoughts?

 

[sevo]

Work it out with the cameras and lenses you have, before you switch! What you have seems to be a problem of perspectives and angles, and perspectives and angles do not change if you switch formats. You only need to go bigger if you don't have enough resolution after you already got everything else sorted out...

 

[meandihagee]

Work it out with the cameras and lenses you have, before you switch! What you have seems to be a problem of perspectives and angles, and perspectives and angles do not change if you switch formats. You only need to go bigger if you don't have enough resolution after you already got everything else sorted out...

to my eyes if you shoot the exactly same scene with 35 on a 35mm, and 65 on a 6x7, the mf will capture more, even if perspective and angles remains the same...

 

[sevo]

You complained about "objects popping out in front" - that is, your issue is the wide angle perspective. If any, going medium format with lenses of the same angle will make that even more obvious as there will be more detail - but you'll only notice that difference once you begin printing serious poster sizes.