What's coming on Dec 21?

ZeissFan said:
I must disagree with this point. If these are Zeiss designs: Planar, Sonnar, Distagon, etc., they won't be rebadged Cosina Voigtlander lenses. These will be built under license using Zeiss lens designs and adhere to Zeiss quality control.

If anything, they will rely on Zeiss designs from the Kyocera Contax. After all, Zeiss -- not Kyocera -- holds the patents on those lens designs.

And the Zeiss M-mount lenses for the Zeiss Ikon are not rebadged Voigtlander M lenses.

Mike,

You may well be right - and we're all about to find out.

But what I noted was that these are Nikon F-mount SLR lenses. How would Zeiss 'suddenly' adapt their M-mount RF lenses to retro-fit Nikon SLRs? I think that the focal planes would be all screwed up - wouldn't they?

What stuck me was that when I went on the Zeiss website today was that they show the Cosina-made "Zeiss Ikon" camera body with no reference to the fact that they do not make it - Cosina does with their license!

Check it out - no attribution to Cosina at all.

This leads me to suspect that ... well you can figure the rest out.

Regards,
George
 
Low cost?

Low cost?

JoeFriday said:
I agree.. I know there is high quality Nikkor glass out there.. but I never felt like paying the price they demand.. if Zeiss can move in and grab that 'between' market, a lot of people will notice

I doubt a ZF lens would be signifciantly less costly than a high quality Nikkor, especially now that many MF Nikkors can be had secondhand for a small fraction of the cost of an equal quality new lens. :bang:
Tom
 
Voigtlaender F mount lenses

Voigtlaender F mount lenses

RJBender said:
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B&H has the Voigtlander lenses in Nikon AI mount. I'll bet that the Zeiss lenses will look very similar to these:

R.J.

What is really amusing is that these Voigtlaender F mount lenses look quite a bit like Zeiss Ikon Contarex lenses whose production ended in the early 70's but with an aperture ring added.
Tom
 
copake_ham said:
Mike,

How would Zeiss 'suddenly' adapt their M-mount RF lenses to retro-fit Nikon SLRs? I think that the focal planes would be all screwed up - wouldn't they?

What struck me was that when I went on the Zeiss website today was that they show the Cosina-made "Zeiss Ikon" camera body with no reference to the fact that they do not make it - Cosina does with their license!

Without having any knowledge, I would think that they are reworking the Zeiss lenses from the Contax SLR to the F mount. That would be much easier, because you only have to adjust for the film to flange distance.

I don't believe these are refitted M lenses because of the reasons you state.

Also, Zeiss makes no mention of the Zeiss Ikon as being a Cosina product, because it's not a Cosina product. It's a Carl Zeiss product. Just as when Cosina was the maker for the lower-end SLRs for Olympus, Nikon and others, those were not branded Cosina. It's the same approach.

The Zeiss Ikon is a Carl Zeiss design. Cosina is only the manufacturer. Sort of like when a builder puts up a house. He'll use subcontractors to install windows, pour cement, do electrical work, maybe do all of the work. But in the end, the builder's name goes up on the house -- not the subcontractors' -- because it's his design that is being built to spec. And when something goes wrong, the builder gets the blame, who of course will roll it downhill onto the subcontractor.

Carl Zeiss AG isn't the type of company that would slap their name onto someone else's lenses. The names Planar, Sonnar, Distagon, Biogon still mean something.

Hope I wasn't being too preachy here. Peace to all. :)
 
Mazurka said:
I'll bite again, George. See this link: http://www.zeissikon.com/faq.htm

No one, not even ZeissFan, said anything about " 'suddenly' adapt their M-mount RF lenses to retro-fit Nikon SLRs" either.

'Nuff said. I didn't go to the FAQ's - just the product link from the main web page.

Glad to see that they do acknowledge Cosina relationship and still expect same when these lenses are finally released.

Hey, don't get me wrong - if they are top quality lenses - I'm interested. I just think that the "teaser" was a bit misleading.
 
ZeissFan said:
If anything, they will rely on Zeiss designs from the Kyocera Contax. After all, Zeiss -- not Kyocera -- holds the patents on those lens designs.

There may be patents, but there also may be various agreements between K and Z which superceed the patent and may prevent Z from certain things *shrug* Or not *shrug*
 
That lens looks a lot like the f/2.8 135mm Sonnar for the Contarex, right down to the bayonet on the front of the lens.

I wonder where Cosina got its design cue?
 
waterlenz said:
these Voigtlaender F mount lenses look quite a bit like Zeiss Ikon Contarex lenses

That's an indirect resemblance. Actually they take after lenses for the Icarex camera, which in turn were styled after Contarex lenses. Why does Cosina pay homage this way? The Icarex was actually a Voigtlander design offered by - who else? - Zeiss Ikon Voigtlander. http://anusf.anu.edu.au/~aab900/photography/cameras/zeiss_icon.htm
 
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Mazurka said:
That's an indirect resemblance. Actually they take after lenses for the Icarex camera, which in turn were styled after Contarex lenses. Why does Cosina pay homage this way? The Icarex was actually a Voigtlander design offered by - who else? - Zeiss Ikon Voigtlander. http://anusf.anu.edu.au/~aab900/photography/cameras/zeiss_icon.htm

Are you suggesting that the Contarex lenses were a Voigtlaender design? :confused: My 'Zeiss Compendium' is presently 5000 miles from me so I am unable to check that particular reference.
Tom
 
waterlenz said:
Are you suggesting that the Contarex lenses were a Voigtlaender design?

Why do people keep having trouble reading my posts, or even Mike's? :rolleyes:

It's the Icarex camera that's a Voigtlander design.
 
ZeissFan said:
I must disagree with this point. If these are Zeiss designs: Planar, Sonnar, Distagon, etc., they won't be rebadged Cosina Voigtlander lenses. These will be built under license using Zeiss lens designs and adhere to Zeiss quality control.

If anything, they will rely on Zeiss designs from the Kyocera Contax. After all, Zeiss -- not Kyocera -- holds the patents on those lens designs.

And the Zeiss M-mount lenses for the Zeiss Ikon are not rebadged Voigtlander M lenses.


Volker (Socke) mentioned that the 40mm f/2 was probably a Tessar design.

R.J.
 
RJBender said:
Volker (Socke) mentioned that the 40mm f/2 was probably a Tessar design.
But it's not, of course, with that f/2 aperture and 6 elements in 5 groups. I have one... This 40mm SL-series lens is reputedly Cosina Pres. Hirofumi Kobayashi's favorite focal length. Smallest aperture f/16, half-stop clicks between f/2.8-8, 9-blade diaphragm, 57 deg view, focus to 0.4m, 52mm filter. Lens diameter is 63.5mm, about 30mm long
 
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