What's in a Name?

Fred

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A while back I got the RF bug, I joined this very forum to help me decide what kit to purchase. I found the help and advice really helpful as well as light hearted. I wanted a small outfit that was unobtrusive that I could take anywhere and get good results with an accurate focussing method for 28 to 90 lenses.

Follwing a spot (lot) of indecision and help and advice from a good buddy who had an M7 kit, I bought a Leica M and a 50 Cron for what was to me a huge amount of money. I also later bought some other lenses, not of German origin, price and aguable quality but from Voigtlander made by Cosina (28 and 90 f3.5s followed later by a 15 and 35.... more CV followed)

I took many photos over the folowing weeks and felt that the RF experience was what I preferred, my images were much sharper and had better contrast. Also from viewing the results I could 'almost' detect a signature that the different lenses had. In a nut shell I was very pleased. I also felt that my composition improved along with an increased ability to see what lens I needed without even raising the camera to the eye. All good stuff I thought.

Following the untimely death of my buddy I purchased his Leica outfit from his son and this kit is still in use. (anyone with book 2 can see the dedication part) This purchase permitted me the chance to use other Leica glass which certainly has a 'look' to it that I really do like. I also really like the results from my CV stuff though.

Up untill recently I used the Leica glass almost exclusively. Did my photgraphy improve with this new found glass? no of course not, not one jot. Did the images look better or sharper, prabably better edge resolving power. I still don't know which I prefer from the results though. What had changed was the ability to shoot wider apertures without the same loss of quality however given that I tend to shoot HP5 the chance to use these wide apertures is seldom.

Following my re aquaintance to motorcycling (weight is a big issue here) and an iminant travel with the company I thought a light weight RF 'user' kit would be useful. As I already had my CV glass that I had not got around to selling and I'd recently got a used CV 75 I got an old Bessa R, I thought the 35, 75 combination would be ideal. I am very happy with the results I get as well. OK the RF does not 'snap' into focus quite like the M nor can I load it as quickly as I can with the M (odd I know but I can't)

The results I get from my Bessa are easily as good as what I get from my Leica, OK it's not quite as accurate focussing (till I get a magnifier) and I can't hand hold it at the same low speeds plus its a little louder that some of the folk club would moan.

So the questions I ask myself are with the honest answers are:

1) Do I take better photos with Leica equipment, easy this one. No I do not.
2) Can I take better photos in lower lighting with a Leica body. Yes I can but this is rare.
3) What result do I prefer? CV or Leica glass. Leica for speed and character but maybe not by that much.
4) What is my day to day kit and why? Bessa R and 35, 75 lenses. I wanted a small outfit that was unobtrusive that I could take anywhere and get good results.

So from my rather limited experience for every day use it looks like the CV kit hits the score. It does not tick all the boxes but it sure ticks all the every day ones.

So the point of this post is:
For most of the time it really does not matter what kit you shoot with. It's you that makes the difference. I really love RF photography and taking photos with RF cameras. The name on the body/lens really does not matter that much at all.

So, whats in a name?
 
Well said, Fred. Well said. And I'm sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. I'm glad you are able to put his kit to good use. I'd want my cameras used if possible when I auger in.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
The best camera is the one in your hands.. something I've come to learn by way of the RF camera and this forum. Well put Tony! I heartily agree, though letting yourself see past the name is a hard first step for most (myself definitely included!)
 
Fred said:
So the point of this post is:
For most of the time it really does not matter what kit you shoot with. It's you that makes the difference. I really love RF photography and taking photos with RF cameras. The name on the body/lens really does not matter that much at all.

So, whats in a name?

Nice post Tony.
 
Nothing is in the name. On a lens by lens basis, things matter.

I prefer the super heliars to their fantastically pricey counterparts.

I perfer the 75mm color heliar to the 75mm summicron - by a long shot.

And the sonnar 90 to the summicron 90.
 
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Fred said:
... So, whats in a name?

The name has cachet when you post in photography forums or discuss cameras with photographic hobbyists. It's insignificant when you take and display photos, and people are focusing on the content of your pictures and your skills as a photographer.
 
The argument is true. Real life is different. Humans being what they are, perceived quality is as significant as measurable quality. Does my Jag get me to my destination as efficiently as a Skoda? Probably yes. Does it give me much more satisfaction and pleasure? You bet it does. Does it give me the right to poo-poo Skoda's as inferior cars? Obviously not. They are great value for money and there is nothing wrong with them. But I'll think up all kinds of spurious arguments to justify the money I overspent. The same goes for Leica's. Of course, in my hands, it wil be virtually impossible to see any difference to a Bessa and CV glass.
But I'll happily argue the superiority of a 35 ASPH lux over a CV lens and quote any number of MTF-curves. In the end it just boils down to I like using them. And yes- because it makes me happy to use Leica stuff, the pictures taken with it will be better pictures. But the real reason for that is my state of mind, not the objective "superiority"of my equipment.
 
...I find there is a lot in a name. Close Your eyes and imagine it would say "Cosina" on Your CV Bessa. To me it makes a difference that in some minor way might affect my life, but probably not my pictures. I hope...

You choose how to use a name, if You wan't to be in charge of it. If You bring a Fed instead of a D2x on an assignment (and deliver good pictures), it is a way to show You are in charge and not owned by the image of a brand. Or You are slave under Your urge to show that You oppose to current technology an consumerism? Hmm, this is complicated. But rather interesting...

The cost of keeping a name like Leica in position is that it requires quality and cost that is way beyond what many photographers need and are willing to pay. In that respect the Bessas might be "better" for many users, and therefore a name You might be more willing to adapt and pay respect to. Just like some feel better in a VW than in a Mercedes.

I could go on for ever about this. Enough for now...
Jacob
 
When I was at college the students with the best portfolios and the students with the most expensive camera equipment were not the same people. The main practical differences between CV and Leica is durabilty and reliability - but you could have a bessa R and two spare bodies for less than a M6
 
In Leica's case, they were really good at building a mystique around their name. And we were really good to bite the bait too. IMHO, my pics aren't any better because they're done with a Leica or with my AF Nikon F100, but the fact that I have a camera used by well-known photographers makes me feel more satisfied about myself.

And, why not? It also makes me member of a kind of exclusive club.

Am I paying my dues by producing worthy images? Probably not, but then, nobody's looking this way.

So, that's in a name! 🙂
 
I like having the choice.

Some days, I feel like using a Nikon; other days are for the Canon; other days for the Leica; others, grab the Retina. And as of late, get the Voigtlander Bessa R2 or Prominent. They have different "Look and Feel" about them. Does it make me a better photographer? No.

Does being able to Collimate my Russian lenses myself make the pictures taken with them in better focus? Well, that one you have to give me...
 
Oldprof said:
The name has cachet when you post in photography forums or discuss cameras with photographic hobbyists. It's insignificant when you take and display photos, and people are focusing on the content of your pictures and your skills as a photographer.


I'd agree with this. There is the saying (a reference to something else 😀 )
it's not what you've got but how you use it

which i think can be applied here.

Having said that if you shoot in poor light (which i often do) fast lenses like 1.4 or 1.2 certainly make a difference, but that has little to do with the branding, more the specific design of a particular lens.
 
I must say I have been pondering this one a lot lately since I got my Yashica GSN for £8. I've been wondering what the £1000 I spent on my M6 and Summicron bought that was £992 better. It was a fairly serious think, as if I concluded that the Yashica was good enough for my needs (or my beloved Zorki 1s and 4ks) then the Leica would have to go. In the end I decided that the Leica gives fantastic durability, reliability, ultimate manual control, the best viewfinder (for me), smoothness and comfort in operation. While the much cheaper cameras offer this (and look in a Zorki 4k viewfinder - it's pretty good!) they don't do it as well while still being very satisfactory and satisfying (love those Jupiter 8s). So that's where the money went, for me. If the Leica was called the Wal-Mart M6 I'd still want one.
 
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