what's in a name?

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ok, so zeiss names like biogon, distagon, planar, sonar etc supposedly refer to the lens design and characteristics.

how about voiglander lenses? heliar? nokton? ultron? is it the same? or do the names just roughly correspond to max aperture, e.g f1.2 and 1.4 lenses are the noktons, 1.7 and 1.9 ultron etc?

(and while we're at it... summicron? summilux? forgive me... rangefinder newb)
 
Voigtlander lenses, mostly no, but I believe the 50 Heliar is a modern version of the old Heliar formula. There may be other exceptions. Mostly Cosina seems to be using the old Voigtlander names to refer to lens speeds.

Leica names refer to lens speeds.
 
audible said:
ok, so zeiss names like biogon, distagon, planar, sonar etc supposedly refer to the lens design and characteristics.

how about voiglander lenses? heliar? nokton? ultron? is it the same? or do the names just roughly correspond to max aperture, e.g f1.2 and 1.4 lenses are the noktons, 1.7 and 1.9 ultron etc?

(and while we're at it... summicron? summilux? forgive me... rangefinder newb)
Skopars are compact & slow
Ultrons are larger & faster
Noktons are the largest and fastest of them all.

Heliars are based on the Heliar design.
Lanthar is taken from the old Voigtlander Lanthar lenses and has no specific meaning beyond branding.

Price levels in Leica-speak
Skopar/Heliar/Lanthar is like Summicron
Ultron is like Summilux
Nokton is like Nocilux
 
Summicrons and Summiluxes and Elmarits are each of the same speed. Elmars and Hektors depart from this practice, as indeed does the Noctilux.
 
BrianPhotog said:
Skopars are compact & slow
Ultrons are larger & faster
Noktons are the largest and fastest of them all.

Heliars are based on the Heliar design.
Lanthar is taken from the old Voigtlander Lanthar lenses and has no specific meaning beyond branding.

Price levels in Leica-speak
Skopar/Heliar/Lanthar is like Summicron
Ultron is like Summilux
Nokton is like Nocilux

Thanks for being the Dictionary of Voitlander Cosina cos' I encountered the same problem.😀
 
audible said:
ok, so zeiss names like biogon, distagon, planar, sonar etc supposedly refer to the lens design and characteristics.

how about voiglander lenses? heliar? nokton? ultron? is it the same? or do the names just roughly correspond to max aperture, e.g f1.2 and 1.4 lenses are the noktons, 1.7 and 1.9 ultron etc?

(and while we're at it... summicron? summilux? forgive me... rangefinder newb)

The modern Cosina-built Voigtlander lenses do not adhere to the original names' meanings: here is a run-down to add to the other contributors obserbations:

Skopar referred to a Tessar-type design with four elements in three groups, designed for normal coverage.

Heliar, as explained, was a five-element lens in three groups, with the outer groups as cementd doublets. However: the original Heliar was made as a completely symmetrical design, and was soon replaced by the Dynar design wihich departed from complete symmetry; subsequent Heliars are closer to the Dynar than the original, and the Cosina-built Heliars are pretty much the only lenses true to the original optical configuration.

Ultron was a post-war design for covering the 35mm format, based on the double-gauss configuration, and designed for normal coverage.

Nokton was a high-speed standard lenss also with maximum aperture of f/1.5.

The name Lanthar referred to the use of "rare earth" Lanthanum glass in the lens construction, and most famous as the Apo-Lanthar which was a lens of Heliar/Dynar construction, of normal coverage, made for medium and large format only; it was also the first apochromat designed for distance work rather than low-magnification work. However, the Lanthar name was also used on low-cost three-element lenses fitted to 35mm and medium format cameras.
 
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