What's the Appeal of a Nikon RF?

Yes, well a couple of points. First of all one reason some like Nikon rangefinders is because many of them are now new mechanical cameras, or nearly so. Yes they are expensive new (or recently out of production), but their new Leica counterparts (e.g. MP) are extremely expensive. There are many vintage Nikon RF bodies too. There are also new lenses, they were made by Voigtlander and Nikon (I own four of them) and they are excellent. You can still find some of these from Voigtlander dealers.

I own and use a very nice S now (I'm poor🙂 ), but my goal is an SP. The S is easier to use than a Leica III series, more modern, but heavier. The price is about the same. The more advanced Nikons like the SP are comparably priced to later Leica M's.

By the way, it's a myth IMO that the Leica M is hard to load, it's a breeze, and more positive than a typical hinged-back 35mm camera since once can witness the film transporting on the sprockets better. The Nikon is also easy to load, and much easier to load than a Leica III series, it's price rival.

Primes: The Nikkor 5cm F1.4 is cheaper than say a Summarit 50mm F1.5, and the 5cm F2 is usually cheaper than a Summitar 50mm F2. They deliver comparable image quality (although I think the Summarit may edge the 50/1.4 Nikkor).

Also, of course, the work and struggle of gathering accessories and lenses is part of the appeal of Nikon RF, as is the admiration of the craftsmanship. Leica M, while being comparably expensive in many ways, has the advantage of numbers of production - in that I can buy just about any capability that the system is capable of (wide angle lenses, mirror boxes, macro, telephoto, etc.), although I may pay dearly for it. In the Nikon RF universe, some capabilities are just about non-existent due to low part counts on the used market (e.g. F1.1 primes) even if one has the money!

Admittedly the appeal of Nikon RF system is not all based on reason or financial good sense. It is a solid system though, and a reasonable one to pursue, with many positives. Unless Nikon decides to make more camera bodies, even if sporadically, it will remain in danger of falling totally into the realm of wealthy collectors.
 
There's not much difference even with lens charts unless you go "pixel peeping" into the corners.

The optical designs of zoom lenses have improved in leaps and bounds since the 1980's, but prime lenses haven't improved all that much.

One thing I do like about modern lenses is the improved multi-coating for higher colour saturation. But that's just a personal preference.
 
If you like the look of 50-to-80-year-old lens designs, without much option of anything more modern, or (for most focal lengths) sharper, faster and with more even illumination, and if you actually like the ergonomics of a Contax, and you really dislike Leicas for whatever reason, yes, that's the appeal of Nikon RFs.

It seems that a great many of us enjoy 50-80 year old lens designs (or even older) on our Leicas. There is an entire thread here listing nothing but Sonnar-derived lenses, for example...how far back does that design go? This doesn't appear to be the domain solely of Nikon RF aficionados.

Yes, one can even buy (in either Nikon RF or Leica M mount) a newly produced Sonnar 50/1.5. 🙂 The same design used in some of the vintage Nikkors.
 
I count 11 lenses that have been manufactured for Nikon S-mount since 2000. They are:

W-Nikkor 3.5cm f1.8
Nikkor-S 50mm f1.4

Zeiss Sonnar 50mm f1.5

Voigtlander SC Skopar 21mm f4
Voigtlander SC Skopar 25mm f4
Voigtlander SC Skopar 28mm f3.5
Voigtlander SC Skopar 35mm f2.5
Voigtlander S Nokton 50mm f1.5
Voigtlander S Skopar 50mm f2.5
Voigtlander S Heliar 50mm f3.5
Voigtlander S Apo-Lanthar 85mm f3.5
 
I count 11 lenses that have been manufactured for Nikon S-mount since 2000.

Not bad for a lens mount that has been out of production, with one small exception for almost 50 year!

How many Exacta mount lenses were made during that same time? How many LTM lenses with coupling were made during that same time?

Think green, use old lenses!

B2 (;->
 
people,
Admit to it!
The main reason we use Nikon RF is:
We are a blast from the past

Kiu

Ok, I admit it Kiu 😀

I was a Nikon SLR shooter before becoming a Nikon RF shooter, and despite all the rows of Leicas on display in the shops in Tokyo, it was always the Nikon RFs that caught my eye. And the Nikon RFs even focus the same way as Nikon SLR. No more reason that needed than that 🙂
 
If you want an improved Contax with a limited choice of mostly out-of-date lenses, Nikons are great. I can't see why anyone would buy a Nikon to take pictures (instead of as a collector/fondler/someone desperately trying to be different/oversated gourmand) since about 1980.

I don't consider myself a collector or fondler, nor do I fit any of the other descriptions in Roger Hicks' post. I got into Nikon RF because I have been a Nikon SLR user for over 30 years and it just seemed a natural choice for me. Plus it allows me to own a (very small) piece of Nikon history at an affordable price. There are enough Nikon RF cameras and lenses around to keep prices at a realistic level, save for the really rare stuff.

As for the remark "I can't see why anyone would buy a Nikon to take pictures", I really don't see what else I'm supposed to do with it. My Nikon RF equipment has given me fine pictures so far. In fact, my photography is only limited by my own ability or inability to take good pictures, not by the equipment itself. In that respect, every Euro spent on Nikon RF is a Euro well spent. Personal preference for one RF system or another is just that, personal preference.
 
I've never seen anyone post that they have a light leak with their Nikon rangefinder camera. I've seen several posts regarding light leaks with M-Mount cameras, and Kiev/Contax cameras.

I've had shutter capping problems with an Leica M3, Leica IIIf, Canon VT, and Contax IIIa. Nothing that a CLA did not take care of. Someday it will happen to one of my Nikon's.
 
most problems with s2's will be burnt holes in the shutter curtains from leaving the lens on the floor of a car with the lens cap off, and an adjustment of shutter speeds, most nikon S cameras need new curtains, not much problems with s3 and sp cameras,
jim
 
What's the appeal of a Nikon rangefinder?
For me, its a known quantitiy.
I've used Nikon SLR film gear for 30 years and based on its track record, know my rangefinder gear is of a similar high quality.
The basic controls are the same on my SLRs and rangefinders, so everything is familiar.
It is affordable.
Leica bodies are now also reasonably inexpensive, but their lenses are so outrageously overpriced that I simply couldn't afford to own Leica gear even if I wanted to.
 
From what I see, the Leica doesn't have any advantages over a Nikon RF:

* The Leica has a lower quality viewfinder than a Nikon RF.
* The availability of lenses is nearly unlimited: there are hundreds of lenses, many are very expensive; the prices of even 50 year old Leica glass is higher. Such availability leads to spending that otherwise would not occur. Who actually needs more than one 50mm lens?
* Leicas need to be cleaned and adjusted and the few really top-notch technicians are so booked it can take months to have the item returned.
* Film loading can be a challenge, although less so with the M4 and later.
* Zeiss lenses aren't fully compatible.





😀
 
All of this Nikon talk is making me want to sell my S2.

I understand the appeal of the Nikons, Rover, over the new medium format S2.

Like you, I'd probably sell the S2 for a small Nikon SP. Smaller, better looking, plenty of lenses. Being an early adopter with the $20000+ S2 is risky. Congrats though on getting one early.
 
He should be able to get close to full amount he paid for it (not a her) as they are so new.

I'm surprised that Leica chose S2 with all the fuss they put up over the M-1 (aka OM-1). I think Nikon should reach out to them and extract a pound of flesh or two.....

B2 (;->
 
LOL, I have often asked myself the opposite question: who on his/her right mind would ever choose a Leica over a Nikon RF? Nikons are much more reliable, have some of the nicest lenses in the world available at reasonable prices, far easier to load for the average human, nice 1:1 finder when applicable, etc. Ah, and no snob stigma attached!
 
I understand the appeal of the Nikons, Rover, over the new medium format S2.

Like you, I'd probably sell the S2 for a small Nikon SP. Smaller, better looking, plenty of lenses. Being an early adopter with the $20000+ S2 is risky. Congrats though on getting one early.

No, I wish I had the means to own a Leica S2. I am just a regular guy like most here at RFF.

I am thinking of selling my NIKON S2.
 
Being the happy owner of an 800 pound toy train that burns coal has helped me realize that most of our hobbys are not logical but more like a love affair. I shoot Leica M mostly now but in 1975 the local camera shop sold me my first rangefinder, a Nikon S with 50mm f2 and four Nikon cassetttes. A wonderful camera I still have and use now and then. Joe
 
Basically, capping occurs when the small slit that moves across the film area during exposure, which should stay the same size throughout, closes entirely rather than staying open.

Here's a general discussion w/some photo examples (it's from a site devoted to the Fedka Soviet Leica copies, but the principles are the same):

http://jay.fedka.com/index_files/Page389.htm

What does "capped" the shutter mean?
 
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