What's the deal with leica slrs?

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Yes, this is a rangefinderforum, but I need to know what is the deal with leica slrs? They are almost never mentioned in slr chatter. The leicaflexes and Rs are so inexpensive compared to M cameras. I am looking for an slr like a nikon fe or fm3a, but then thought well what about leicas? I saw some in a camera store tucked in a corner and remarkably affordable. Surely the build and lens quality are the same. They look just as beautiful and well made. Are there problems(other than being an slr)? What lens mounts can they use? Are they best left alone? Any recommendations?
Thanks.
 
I had an SL, and it's a really great camera. Very intuitive, the camera is stripped down to its basics, and the lenses are (of course) awesome. Haven't used any other Leica SLR's, so I can't really comment on those.
 
I have used R6, R6.2, R7. Nicely sized, well-built. Very nice to superb glass, if heavy. Some glass is pricier than one would otherwise think, because many people adapt them for use on other brands of DSLRs. R8/R9 are too big and clunky for my taste but great viewfinders among other nice features.

Prefer lighter cameras so I stick with Contax Aria.
 
I have an R9 and a 50mm 'cron and I love both. My wife has an R7 and that's also a great camera.

The R9 is big but surprisingly light. I'd say it feels lighter than my M4, although I haven't weighed them.

Lenses are still pricey when compared to other brands but, of course, very good.
 
I shoot a Leicaflex SL, which I got because I wanted to shoot a summicron and couldn't afford an M or Screwmount with an accessory viewfinder (glasses).

I really prefer rangefinders, and shoot my Canon QL17 most the time - but the SL is top-notch quality. The viewfinder is super-bright and the metering is good (low light being the minor exception). I love how it reduces the process to the barest essentials. No nonsense.

Sadly I can't afford any other glass for it, but I love it just the same.
 
The R4 I handled seemed rather plasticky compared to the Ms and the SL weighs a ton and the shutter was very loud. That was my impression anyway.
 
The SL2 has the best viewfinder ever put into a manual focus SLR. The lenses are sublime. The R3-R7 were collaborations with Minolta and are nice but in my experience trouble prone, though the RE in particular is a sleeper, a beautiful minimal machine. The R8-9 are ergonomically great if you have large hands and have an amazing viewfinder, but are big and ugly. Did I mention that many of the lenses are great?

Marty
 
Loved the quality, metering, and metering on my SL. Had an R3 once. It was even heavier, or seemed that way, and the viewfinder was nothing compared to the SL, which probably has the best SLR viewfinder in the world. The R lenses are incredible, but not such buys anymore since the DSLR crowd realized they could shoot them w/ an inexpensive adapter. But my favorite R SLR was a Nikon N6006 w/ an adapter and Leica R 90 2.8 and 50 2.0 lenses. The focus confirmation worked, spot metering was on the money, and I had aperture priority w/ stop down metering. Loved the motorized film advance too. Not too bad for a $15 camera.
 
I read that the R4's are particularly troublesome. Thanks for the link Vince. Can the leicaflexes and R bodies take lenses other than the leica R mount? I have small hands so maybe the r8/9 are too big? Are any of the R3 to 7 better than others?
 
I love the Leica SLR line.

There are also a few very notable SLR users, like Doug Herr - swears by the SL2.

My favourite is now the R6.2 - a mechanical R with manual metering.

I've had the R7, SL and SL2. The SL and SL2 are superbly robust machines, very basic and a touch heavy. I've sold mine, but other than their weight, never had anything to complain about for them.

But, I now own ROM lenses as well as 3-cam, and the ROM lenses can't be used on the SL and SL2. Perhaps that is the one Leica complaint - they introduced a non-backward compatible mount (namely the ROM).

The Leica R lenses are the sleepers of the line. There is an active discussion on LUG about the top R lenses, and they compare right up there with the M lenses.

Superb R lenses include:
- 15mm f2.8 - superb, rare, and expensive
- 35mm f1.4 - super non-ASPH lens, matches the M lenses in the same f-stop and focal length
- 50mm f1.4 E60 version - better than the 50/1.4 non-ASPH M, likely as good as 50/1.4 ASPH
- 80/1.4 - same as the stunning 75/1.4 M

And when you go to zooms and telephoto lenses, the R line really begins to shine.

Sure, they are heavy, but they are in the Leica tradition - solid metal mounts, using aluminum and brass, and not a lot of plastic.

Bottom line - stick with the later cameras (R7, R6.2, R9). There are some fine R lenses out there, and they are holding their value. And true to Leica form, they are more expensive than their counterparts in Nikon, Canon, etc.

....Vick
 
I read that the R4's are particularly troublesome. Thanks for the link Vince. Can the leicaflexes and R bodies take lenses other than the leica R mount? I have small hands so maybe the r8/9 are too big? Are any of the R3 to 7 better than others?

Note that I do not use "R4s" as the plural for these cameras because there is a model called "Leica R4s". The R4 series are the smallest of the Leica R SLRs. Early R4 cameras are beset by numerous electronic malaises and Leica has few or no parts, depending on what breaks. R4s and R4sp cameras tend to be better but also can die. But they are cheap - you'll probably always be able to find a working camera at least for a few decades. One thing to watch out for is that the tripod mount is attached to the main frame and is quite fragile. heavy lens + tripod = broken frame.

No other lenses can easily or conveniently be used on a Leica SLR.

The newer the better with the rest of the Rs. The R6 and R6.2 are completely mechanical and so should be among the most fixable should anything go wrong with them. Their meters are electronic, obviously, but the camera works without them.

Marty
 
If I were buying one again I would opt for a clean SL2 and budget for service. The downfall of the wonderful finders in the SL and SL2 is that the finders can yellow and spot with age, and I think only repairman Don A. Goldberg can rectify this (in the USA), expensively. Buying one from eBay, the sellers will suddenly lose their ability to accurately describe what a finder looks like so you have to take a crapshoot or buy from an upscale, non-idiotic but honest dealer.

The other issues are that the fastest shutter speeds don't really work and sometimes jam (so don't use them) and the plastic lens release and the slotted film catch device can be brittle with age. Have the repair person replace those parts with the later metal versions.

And you have to figure out what to do about the old Mercury batteries.... endless threads about this. I used a CRIS adapter http://www.criscam.com.

The good news is that you can save money by buying the older two-cam Leica R lenses. This is also widely discussed, but in general it is best to get good haze-free lenses of the same vintage as the camera body. The single cam lenses are for the original diesel Leicaflex Standard. The 3-cams are for the R-series, the ROM for the later R cameras.

The later R6, R62, R7, etc. are quite nice too. The ones to avoid are the R3 and probably the R4 since the electronics seem to fail after almost 30 years - but if they're still working, knock on wood.

The 28/2.8; 35/2.8; 50/2; and 90/2.8 in two-cam vintage are relatively inexpensive and good performers. They have the same "Leica look" as the M-series lenses. I particularly like the rectangular hood on the 28, it is pretty lens and camera combo.

Shame I find it hard to really shoot 35mm film ;-p
 
sleeper SLR

sleeper SLR

+1 on the SL2. So well-built and over-engineered that legend has it Leica was forced to discontinued it because they lost money on each unit sold, and couldn't make it up in volume. The plain vanilla model (not the MOT, not the Anniversary or other special models) sells for chump change and is a beauty.

The value sleepers of the lens line: late 35/2.8, 60/2.8 macro, 90/2.8. Get 3 cam models for later production, most versatility.
 
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