Ronald M
Veteran
Dilute the D76 1:1 or even better 1:3. With D100, times are 5 min, 7 min and 16 so that will give you some idea how much to increase the time.
1:3 will be sharper than Rodinal.
1:3 will be sharper than Rodinal.
Moto-Uno
Moto-Uno
Hallelujah !!! I got grain.
Peter
Peter
Athiril
Established
I'm pointing finger at the scanner, I get grain in my FP4+ scans.
Moto-Uno
Moto-Uno
^ Well, you can't just say that and not tell us which scanner you're using!! As "f16sunhine"
alluded to earlier,it appears the Epson flatbed scanners reduce grains' visibility. Heaven knows, it's been a bit of a song and dance to finally get grain. Peter
alluded to earlier,it appears the Epson flatbed scanners reduce grains' visibility. Heaven knows, it's been a bit of a song and dance to finally get grain. Peter
Moto-Uno
Moto-Uno
^ May have missed the point, your remark about flatbed scanners may be correct,but I'm
curious about what it is he uses that has no trouble bringing out the grain. An example would be appreciated and it might give me cause to consider another scanner in the future.
Peter
curious about what it is he uses that has no trouble bringing out the grain. An example would be appreciated and it might give me cause to consider another scanner in the future.
Peter
Photo_Smith
Well-known
The dedicated scanners normally hold the film flatter and also you get an effect called ''Aliasing' read here:
http://www.photoscientia.co.uk/Grain.htm
They also have higher native PPI ratings.
A scanner like the Epson V500 may have a native PPI of 1600-2400 and less flatness of the film so you will get some smoothing.
Not that it is terrible and can be helpful, print a wet print to see how the grain really is
http://www.photoscientia.co.uk/Grain.htm
They also have higher native PPI ratings.
A scanner like the Epson V500 may have a native PPI of 1600-2400 and less flatness of the film so you will get some smoothing.
Not that it is terrible and can be helpful, print a wet print to see how the grain really is
Jiloo
eternal amateur
Sorry for late replay. I'm kinda busy lately.
Here is my approach on Delta 3200. Shoot @400 in p&s camera (Cosina CX-2) developed @3200 in Rodinal 1:25 for 11 min.
by the way by itsJiloo, on Flickr
1 by itsJiloo, on Flickr
Totally disagree about flatbed scanners do not show grain. Above pictures are scans from Canon 9000F. Of course film scanners are better in most ways but more expensive too. And not perfect too. I have Nikon 9000ED at work. Believe me it's hard to scan medium format film in it's holder. Especially when your film is bended – a lot of blur on edges – but this is discussion for other thread
Here is my approach on Delta 3200. Shoot @400 in p&s camera (Cosina CX-2) developed @3200 in Rodinal 1:25 for 11 min.
by the way by itsJiloo, on Flickr
1 by itsJiloo, on Flickr
Totally disagree about flatbed scanners do not show grain. Above pictures are scans from Canon 9000F. Of course film scanners are better in most ways but more expensive too. And not perfect too. I have Nikon 9000ED at work. Believe me it's hard to scan medium format film in it's holder. Especially when your film is bended – a lot of blur on edges – but this is discussion for other thread
Athiril
Established
I can see the grain in some areas at only 1200 pixels wide, its fine but it's definitely there, and this is in Xtol replenished. Scanner is Flextight 949 (the down side to this scanner is the much touted 'virtual drum' - the way it rolls/bends the film in the flexible holders, the distortion of the image is bad and changes between every scan).
Image is just from camera testing at work.
8000 dpi crop
