peepete77
Established
of course M.
Since Konica unfortunately does not produce its Hexar RF and lenses M-Hexanon any more, you should have a look e.g. at eBay or at local dealers with used cameras.
A friend of mine just bought a Dual Hexanon 21-35 ... what a quality ...
Only a snapshot with Hexar RF and Dual Hexanon on 21mm (Leicashop Vienna) ...
NICE! Thanks. But is the M better than the UC? Is it therefore you write "off course"----? Thanks again.
tbarker13
shooter of stuff
Bokeh King? Well that comes from the opinion of some that the out of focus area of the 4th version of the pre-asph summicron is the best ever.
It is a topic of endless debate, as some will argue that bokeh is quite subjective.
If it were me (and this is exactly what I did), I'd pick the 3rd version of the 35 summicron and save $300-$400 to use on something else.
It is a topic of endless debate, as some will argue that bokeh is quite subjective.
If it were me (and this is exactly what I did), I'd pick the 3rd version of the 35 summicron and save $300-$400 to use on something else.
peepete77
Established
Thanks, and COOL! Very enlightening! I am just curious, how can one find out if its the 3rd or 4th edition of this lens? Serial numbers, or do sellers usually know this and inform of it?
Thanks again, MUCH appreciated! :angel:
peepete77
Established
Cool!
But are we talking about the 35/2 or the 35/1,4 IV pre-asph as the so-called "Bokeh king"???
Thanks
cam
the need for speed
the 35/2 Summicron is the so-called "Bokeh King." so-called, because everyone's opinion is different on this. i personally prefer the Lux pre-asph's bokeh over the Cron IV.Cool!
But are we talking about the 35/2 or the 35/1,4 IV pre-asph as the so-called "Bokeh king"???
Thanks
a lot of sellers list this as the v. IV has such the rep. if not, you can tell by the serial number.
i personally have the first version of this and love it and i believe there is one for sale in the classifieds here. i checked out all the versions and this was the one that floated my boat. like i said, everyone is different.
your best bet is to go through here or flickr and see what lenses draw you in. figure out how much money you're willing to spend, how fast you need it to be, and whether size matter...
and, to throw another wrinkle in the bunch, the Leica 35mm Summaron is a very sweet lens. a tad slow, but nice small, and you can find it for quite a bit less than a Cron usually.
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thomasw_
Well-known
yes, the summaron 35/2,8 is an excellent performer. it has a recessed front lens which allows you to shoot it w/o a hood most of the time; it is quite resistant to flare. Here is a sun-drenched shot I took with the Summaron 35/2,8, a truly great lens for all seasons It is an excellent lens if you can live with the f/2,8. Delightful character....so compact.
It is an excellent lens if you can live with the f/2,8. Delightful character....so compact.
Samsam
Established
I have the chance to own the 35mm Summilux ASPH, 35mm Summicron 4th version, and 35mm Summilux pre asph. My favourite is the Summilux Pre asph. IMHO, the Summicron v4 bokeh is not amazing. The Summilux preasph bokeh is nicer.
About the Summilux ASPH ( which is considered by lot of people as the best 35mm lens ), it's too clinical/modern for my tastes
About the Summilux ASPH ( which is considered by lot of people as the best 35mm lens ), it's too clinical/modern for my tastes
Krosya
Konicaze
Peepete77,
I think you should look through some threads here - many about Noktons, SUmmicrons, etc. Than look at some pics made with lenses that interest you and see which you like.
From my experience : CV Ultron - very good lens - best balance for the money. CV Nokton 35/1.2 - best 35 mm there is - if someone says otherwise - they didnt use it enough or at all. Some other lenses come close, but nothing matches or betters it. Price to pay - it's weight and size. I have no problem with it. Plus I dont think it's that big and that heavy. here is a how it compares to a smallish UC-Hexanon 35/2. :
Both lenses cv35/1.2 and Uc-Hex are great but have different signature - reason I have both. Here is Nokton at 1.2:
and here is uc-hex at f2:
Either one of these will set you back about $1000 USD. UC-Hex - very hard to find lens - only 1000 made.
So, good luck!
I think you should look through some threads here - many about Noktons, SUmmicrons, etc. Than look at some pics made with lenses that interest you and see which you like.
From my experience : CV Ultron - very good lens - best balance for the money. CV Nokton 35/1.2 - best 35 mm there is - if someone says otherwise - they didnt use it enough or at all. Some other lenses come close, but nothing matches or betters it. Price to pay - it's weight and size. I have no problem with it. Plus I dont think it's that big and that heavy. here is a how it compares to a smallish UC-Hexanon 35/2. :
Both lenses cv35/1.2 and Uc-Hex are great but have different signature - reason I have both. Here is Nokton at 1.2:
and here is uc-hex at f2:
Either one of these will set you back about $1000 USD. UC-Hex - very hard to find lens - only 1000 made.
So, good luck!
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FifthLeaf
amateur
Retow is right. If you're new to rangefinder photography, I assume you want the smaller cameras and lenses. The color skopar is small and inexpensive and you can always "upgrade" later if you like. Those large lenses, in my opinion, defeat the purpose of using a rangefinder. It's better to buy a cheaper lens, get out and shoot a LOT of film, and then worry about performance or whatnot later.
deepwhite
Well-known
On Summicron 35mm f2.0 IV (7-element):
I love this lens, but it's not THE king of bokeh to me.
It's not THE king of bokeh to me, but I love this lens.
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On Nokton 35mm f1.2:
As much as I enjoying the lightweight of the compact lenses like the Cron IV, I have no problem at all hanging a Nokton 35/1.2 + the camera on my neck all day, or point it to the "subject" I want to shoot.
This lens is great by itself; there's nothing like it if you want that character (not even a Noctilux and that's why I keep both).
In my own experience, if I really don't want the "subject" aware that I'm taking a shot of him/her, I would:
(1) Just take out the tiny Minolta TC-1. Can't get smaller and better than that.
(2) Shoot from the hip. I failed a lot though....
I love this lens, but it's not THE king of bokeh to me.
It's not THE king of bokeh to me, but I love this lens.
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On Nokton 35mm f1.2:
As much as I enjoying the lightweight of the compact lenses like the Cron IV, I have no problem at all hanging a Nokton 35/1.2 + the camera on my neck all day, or point it to the "subject" I want to shoot.
This lens is great by itself; there's nothing like it if you want that character (not even a Noctilux and that's why I keep both).
In my own experience, if I really don't want the "subject" aware that I'm taking a shot of him/her, I would:
(1) Just take out the tiny Minolta TC-1. Can't get smaller and better than that.
(2) Shoot from the hip. I failed a lot though....
dacaccia
M246&X100V&GFX 50R
well, I looked it up - the M-Hexanon 2/35 and the UC-Hexanon 2/35 seem to be identical. (I first thought the UC version is a SLR lens with adapter for M - but obviously this is not the case.)NICE! Thanks. But is the M better than the UC? Is it therefore you write "of course"----? Thanks again.
I do have the M-Hexanon 2/35 which is really good - as I said.
Cheers,
dacaccia
infrequent
Well-known
the uc-hexanon is nothing like the m-hexanon. more on the uc-hexanon from the always informative dante stella.
http://www.dantestella.com/technical/hex352.html
http://www.dantestella.com/technical/hex352.html
dacaccia
M246&X100V&GFX 50R
yes, thanks, I've seen the difference to M-Hexanon on the photo #4 by Krosyra - a complete different bokeh, to me a bit old-school. I like more this of M-Hexanon.
Cheers, dacaccia
Jim Watts
Still trying to See.
The 35mm pre-asph Summicron is a lovely lens. I have the 3rd version. I would though suggest that for use on the R-D1 you try to check the lens on the camera before buying. My lens focuses perfectly on my M4, but slightly front focuses on the R-D1, which has a properly adjusted rangefinder. I also tried a friends IVth version which gives the same problem. It's not by much, but is limiting at apertures of f2.8 and wider close up, so I now tend to use the 40mm Nokton more.
I do though prefer the look/bokeh of the Summicron to the Nokton and slightly more the 3rd than the IVth, but the IVth is sharper at full aperture.
Clearly other people have not had the same problem problem with these lenses on the R-D1, but I would suggest you make sure the combination works for you before purchase.
I do though prefer the look/bokeh of the Summicron to the Nokton and slightly more the 3rd than the IVth, but the IVth is sharper at full aperture.
Clearly other people have not had the same problem problem with these lenses on the R-D1, but I would suggest you make sure the combination works for you before purchase.
nugat
Warsaw, Poland
I have a chance to buy a 1970 Summilux 35/1.4. Is this the lens you write about? What would be a fair price for one in good shape (have to bid)?
Thanks in advance.
peepete77
Established
You seem to think that the 35/2 Biogon is too big. I have not seen it in real size, how does it compare to the notorious beasty Nokton 1,2 in size and handling?
peepete77
Established
Okay, here is my take at it. The learning curve could be steep, but I feel I should take advantage of the low dollar now, it is already rising fast agian, and if I ever should make a good deal, now is the time I feel.... Probably very much sense in buying a CS 35/2,5, but I am a sucker for optics. I have one SLR lens, the Pentax limited and expensive 31mm/1,9. And I love it soooo much. I rather have one super lens than 4 lenses I am "pretty satisfied" with. But again, these are just my thoughts and my feelings as of today...
Thanks for a nice reply though!peepete77
Established
Thanks for a really interesting reply! I have now received an offer of an Summicrom 35/2 version IV pre-asph, for 400 £, but it seems to have a history of hard wear... A minor scratch in front element that seller says not affect IQ... Could this be "it"? In fact, I now have two offers on the "bokeh king".... But the other one has some issues with mechanic and handling... That one goes for 890 US $... Are these good offers?
Thanks
peepete77
Established
I agree, I am SOOOOO looking and searching for this lens, even in UC! And I have spent hours last night, this morning, and even at work (don't tell my employee) finding it.... But no, so far no luck.... Yours is not up for sale, I reckon....?
peepete77
Established
Okay, but now I grow really curious, what do you mean by "old flavour"? Retro or filmsy look on pictures???