time
Established
Hi
I am going to buy a M4/3 as additional digital camera for my film leicas.
As many have mentioned in several threads, E-P2 with Panasonic 20mm 1.7 is the best set. However, buying separated is too much $£ to put to a digital M4/3 for me.
Which kit set will you prefer?
I am going to buy a M4/3 as additional digital camera for my film leicas.
As many have mentioned in several threads, E-P2 with Panasonic 20mm 1.7 is the best set. However, buying separated is too much $£ to put to a digital M4/3 for me.
Which kit set will you prefer?
je2a3
je
Ep-1 + 14-42
Ep-1 + 14-42
Got a used EP1+14-42 kit two months ago. Never had a serious digital camera before and I'm very pleased with the performance. Nice toy to play with using my LTM/M lenses + adapter.
Ep-1 + 14-42
Got a used EP1+14-42 kit two months ago. Never had a serious digital camera before and I'm very pleased with the performance. Nice toy to play with using my LTM/M lenses + adapter.
ianglean
Member
I would rather buy the body alone and use my LTM and M lenses.
bbrovold
Established
Bought E-p1 and after 3 days returned it in favor of the E-p2 with the 17mm lens. I just had a lot of trouble seeing the screen outdoors and I am getting an adapter for Nikon F so decided the EVF was more to my needs.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
I'd go for the EPL-1 in black, so I did'nt vote here yet.
enenrf
Asianenen
Leica film and a M3/4 combination will be great, I am thinking about sell my canon DSLR and get into 3/4 system. Canon 5D+35mm L is unbeatable for image quality,but as a hobbyist, I hate the weight more and more.
I think I will go for a zoom one. and use my leica/cv lens with an adopter.
I think I will go for a zoom one. and use my leica/cv lens with an adopter.
Ronald M
Veteran
Had small sensor cams, been there, done that. Nikon D700 full frame the best way to go on a budget.
Jason808
Established
Likewise. Though for some reason I want the red one.
Harril
Member
I bought used E-P1 with14-42 kitlens,then 28-35 Minifinder and few weeks later Konica-M4/3 adapter and now i have three Konica lenses 40mm 1:1,8Hexanon pancake, 24mm 1:2,8 Hexanon and 135 mm1:2,5 Hexanon. These are good for my use (And cheaper than Voigtländer´s) But maybe some day I can buy some M lens and adapter...
back alley
IMAGES
the best bet and cheapest option is still the original g1 with 14-45. get a 20 if you need a faster lens.
i eventually settled on g1 and 20 plus 14-140, great kit.
i eventually settled on g1 and 20 plus 14-140, great kit.
JonasYip
Well-known
I bought the EP1 plus 14-42 kit because it was available at the time, then bought a 17 separately, then bought the panasonic 20, then the panasonic 14-140. Seeing as my preferred kit is the last two (the 20 most of the time, the 14-140 when that's appropriate), and the kit zoom and 17 get little or no use now, I'd say that it's a lot cheaper to buy the ones you want separately than to save money on the kit only to wind up buying the other lenses anyway....
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BillBingham2
Registered User
GRD III and Black CV finder.
B2 (;->
B2 (;->
Any one of the bodies with the pancake lens ... zooms suck.
kuzano
Veteran
That's a real stretch... Didn't see Nikon on the list.
That's a real stretch... Didn't see Nikon on the list.
I'm so happy for you that you have a full frame Nikanon "on a budget"
But how is that a budget compared to the micro 4/3 camera offerings, and where are the additional MegaPixels.
Budget???
D700. List 2995, Street 23-2400, 12.1Mp, No IS inbody, Have to buy very expensive lenses to get the most use of the full sensor. Other advantages of course, but it's not budget as many see budget.
Oly-Pana offerings Oly List 599 to 1099 depending on model. Street.. many too new. Comes with a Lens of choice at those prices. 12.1 MP, in-body IS, Excellent lens stable if you consider the standard 4/3 offering, Massive lens offerings if you consider the adaptor mounted legacy lenses including CV, Leica, Oly OM, etc. ISO to 6400 on last three offerings. Half Frame... NOT SMALL Sensor in the sense that most refer to P&S small sensor. In fact, only marginally smaller than APS-C.
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but you clearly have not looked at the latest in 4/3 and Micro 4/3, and you are way off on the budget comment. You could have a very competent camera and a kit of lenses for the body price alone of your Nikon.
Now, admittedly the Nikon is a different camera, different market, and has a few advantage. I just have a hard time seeing what the advantages are when you weigh in the major ticking points on the m4/3 and the price outcome.
The m4/3 and standard 4/3 fill a market niche that Nikanon wants no part of. That's fine with me, and there's a place for everybody in the market, as well as a place for everyone's opinion.
That's a real stretch... Didn't see Nikon on the list.
I'm so happy for you that you have a full frame Nikanon "on a budget"
But how is that a budget compared to the micro 4/3 camera offerings, and where are the additional MegaPixels.
Budget???
D700. List 2995, Street 23-2400, 12.1Mp, No IS inbody, Have to buy very expensive lenses to get the most use of the full sensor. Other advantages of course, but it's not budget as many see budget.
Oly-Pana offerings Oly List 599 to 1099 depending on model. Street.. many too new. Comes with a Lens of choice at those prices. 12.1 MP, in-body IS, Excellent lens stable if you consider the standard 4/3 offering, Massive lens offerings if you consider the adaptor mounted legacy lenses including CV, Leica, Oly OM, etc. ISO to 6400 on last three offerings. Half Frame... NOT SMALL Sensor in the sense that most refer to P&S small sensor. In fact, only marginally smaller than APS-C.
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but you clearly have not looked at the latest in 4/3 and Micro 4/3, and you are way off on the budget comment. You could have a very competent camera and a kit of lenses for the body price alone of your Nikon.
Now, admittedly the Nikon is a different camera, different market, and has a few advantage. I just have a hard time seeing what the advantages are when you weigh in the major ticking points on the m4/3 and the price outcome.
The m4/3 and standard 4/3 fill a market niche that Nikanon wants no part of. That's fine with me, and there's a place for everybody in the market, as well as a place for everyone's opinion.
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I'm waiting for the E-PL1. It has the built-in flash, Nina will be using it a good bit. Has to be on the compact side, but the flash is a must. The Panasonics are just too big. I'm thinking the fixed focal length lens.
Plus, they named it after a programming language from the 1960s.
Plus, they named it after a programming language from the 1960s.
Thardy
Veteran
The generation of m43 camera with built in evf. Hopefully it will be out before I travel overseas this October.
kuzano
Veteran
For the same reasons, plus+++
For the same reasons, plus+++
Has the latest processing engine, has the flash, has the in-body IS and it doesn't force me to buy the EVF. I may find it's suitable without the EVF. If not, I'll have the option to pick up a used EVF, or perhaps a better one if they improve it.
That way, I may be in the micro 4/3 market for $600 and use my money for lenses.
For the same reasons, plus+++
Has the latest processing engine, has the flash, has the in-body IS and it doesn't force me to buy the EVF. I may find it's suitable without the EVF. If not, I'll have the option to pick up a used EVF, or perhaps a better one if they improve it.
That way, I may be in the micro 4/3 market for $600 and use my money for lenses.
lemalk
Rebel Without Applause
Do they sell the EVF separately? I can't seem to find it. And does it work with the GF1 as well since they seem to have the same connector?
I'm torn on waiting for the EPL-1 as well - but the GF1 with 20mm 1.7 kit is pulling my wallet open.
Since I plan on (gasp!) experimenting with video, the G1 is out of the question; the GH1 is just too damn expensive....guess I'll have to make do with the onboard mic.
kuzano
Veteran
I would think EVF will be available...
I would think EVF will be available...
It would be extreme short sighted-ness on the part of Oly to make the E-PL1 camera available with the EVF port, and then not make the EVF available sold alone.
First, I want the in-body IS... not available on GF-1
Second, I want the better OOC jpgs of the Oly, The GF-1 has been knocked on this and I don't want to only shoot RAW to get the best results.
The EVF available for the GF1 is not rated as high as the Oly EVF, and I don't know if the ports are the same.
I would think EVF will be available...
It would be extreme short sighted-ness on the part of Oly to make the E-PL1 camera available with the EVF port, and then not make the EVF available sold alone.
First, I want the in-body IS... not available on GF-1
Second, I want the better OOC jpgs of the Oly, The GF-1 has been knocked on this and I don't want to only shoot RAW to get the best results.
The EVF available for the GF1 is not rated as high as the Oly EVF, and I don't know if the ports are the same.
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Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Yep. I took PL/1 at Rutgers University in 1974 or 1975. Along with FORTRAN and COBOL. I'm sure I have the old book in a box down in the basement.