Which one is from Sigma DP1, and which one from M6

[JayGannon]

1st is film, hilights retention looks better than 2. Interesting though, would have liked them a bit bigger to get a better feel for it.

I wonder if people can tell VERY well made inkjet b/w from well made darkroom printed b/w. (never tried the direct comparison myself)

They do look quite different. Not saying one is better than the other, I have some images that never worked in the darkroom for me that have shone on Inkjet prints, and being able to save badly scratched negs etc but their easy enough to tell apart.

 

[Matus]

At this image size and quality the difference is all left to bit more natural highlights of the left image, so I guess left is film.

But again - at this size an technical quality one could be a 30 years old $30 film P&S and the other 5 years old digital P&S.

Show us 300 dpi files for 4x6" prints and there would be no doubt left.

 

[Stuart John]

Earlier this year I went out with a digital and film camera shot some B&Ws to compare the two and get a better idea how to convert digital to B&W. You can find the some of the shots here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/photogsjm/sets/72157623776289660/

 

[SimonSawSunlight]

yes, the pictures are too small and have too many compression artifacts to judge anything.

 

[Paul T.]

The textures of both shots are good, and could have told us something interesting about the rendering of the Foveon. But unfortunately the way you've saved them, quality and size, only illustrates how pointless a lot of comparisons on the Web are...

 

[LeicaFoReVer]

lots of good eyes! I really learned something from this small game. To look at the highlight details. That is right they are too small to make an evaluation sorry but the first image was from leica M6 elmar 5cm and tri-x pushed to 1600iso. Second is from Sigma at iso800 on the shoulder of my wife 🙂 Lots of nice reasonings, I liked the one saying "you got the sigma recently and first image is marked 2009 so second one is from sigma" I said no cheating! 😀

Well it was a useful game for me. I learned how to look to a photograph next time. Thanks a lot!

 

[jsrockit]

The blown highlights in the 2nd picture made this pretty easy.

 

[Dave Wilkinson]

Now put one from a D40 alongside....and blow 'em both away! 😀😉

 

[LeicaFoReVer]

Now put one from a D40 alongside....and blow 'em both away! 😀😉

I will put one from Canon 40d and you will see more details in the one from sigma dp1, no kidding...D40 has no chance 😎

 

[ashrafazlan]

It is an amazing little thing isn't it? The results from my DP1 is the closest thing I can get to reproducing the look of Tri-X...which coincidently is also loaded into an M6 😀

 

[coelacanth]

It is an amazing little thing isn't it? The results from my DP1 is the closest thing I can get to reproducing the look of Tri-X...which coincidently is also loaded into an M6 😀

Very curious. I always try to look into Sigma's sensor technology details, but I haven't really figured anything out. Do you think 3 layer sensor is contributing to "film-like" b/w? Would you say the same on the inkjet printed b/w from dp1 as well?

 

[ashrafazlan]

Very curious. I always try to look into Sigma's sensor technology details, but I haven't really figured anything out. Do you think 3 layer sensor is contributing to "film-like" b/w? Would you say the same on the inkjet printed b/w from dp1 as well?

I haven't printed any DP1 shots (sadly I've already given it away to my sister) but what makes it look "film-like" for me would be a combination of sharpness from lack of aa filter (similar to what you get from the M8) and the foveon's dr and wide tonality. The amount of highlight recovery you can do on overexposed scenes is crazy.

 

[LeicaFoReVer]

I haven't printed any DP1 shots (sadly I've already given it away to my sister) but what makes it look "film-like" for me would be a combination of sharpness from lack of aa filter (similar to what you get from the M8) and the foveon's dr and wide tonality. The amount of highlight recovery you can do on overexposed scenes is crazy.

I concur all those, except sometimes when I do lock my exposure for dark areas in certain situations, there is significant cut in highlights (it goes complete white!). could not figured why and how i can prevent....but I still enjoy a lot.

It really gives me feeling like I shoot film. I like to tonality. And you can play with sharpness and contrast in camera so you can mimic HP5 or tri-x...

 

[LeicaFoReVer]

Very curious. I always try to look into Sigma's sensor technology details, but I haven't really figured anything out. Do you think 3 layer sensor is contributing to "film-like" b/w? Would you say the same on the inkjet printed b/w from dp1 as well?

You should try I strongly recommend! I did not print either but on screen, they look very similar. I will try to post more images!

 

[paragon]

my vote is left is film

but what's the purpose of such a comparison of such images on the web

it's interesting and amusing but one is digital and one is film - so we are led to believe

are we suppose to chose a preferred medium from such a comparison

I'm not being contentions just interested

 

[ashrafazlan]

I concur all those, except sometimes when I do lock my exposure for dark areas in certain situations, there is significant cut in highlights (it goes complete white!). could not figured why and how i can prevent....but I still enjoy a lot.

It really gives me feeling like I shoot film. I like to tonality. And you can play with sharpness and contrast in camera so you can mimic HP4 or tri-x...

I noticed that problem after the SPP 4.0 was released, no idea why but I'm guessing they changed a few things. Even the noise reduction was a tad too much, made the b&w mode really muddy which is why I switched to RAW developer.

 

[sepiareverb]

Where is Magus to tell us the second is the M6, obviously- the zinc top-plate is a dead give-away.

 

[LeicaFoReVer]

I noticed that problem after the SPP 4.0 was released, no idea why but I'm guessing they changed a few things. Even the noise reduction was a tad too much, made the b&w mode really muddy which is why I switched to RAW developer.

My aim was to show how much dp1 gives similar images to film for film lovers that is important as todays digital cameras, still can not replace film for black and white images due to low tonality (well sorry I am not so technical person to explain this in detail).

 

[coelacanth]

LeicaFoReVer & ashrafazlan,

Very interesting observations. So do you think (I'm assuming we are talking about RAW), DP1/2 enables you to think a bit like shooting negative films: can recover highlights (with good RAW developer), watch out for the bottom end, don't have to NAIL the exposure like slide film/typical digital? And has the tonality of scanned Tri-X?

 

[cliffpov]

Great poll. I enjoyed reading the replies. My observations are similar after using the DP-2 as well as the SD-14. More real and less plastic than other digital camera systems.