Who exported film to the communist?

I have a 50 pcs. box of OrwoPan 400 12 exp. to burn, I'm using the film cassettes to wind my own.

OrwoPan was made in Eastern Germany and if you search APUG for it, there aren't (m)any flattering comments on its quality. The films I have are probably 1990s production, but still (or because of that?) isn't anywhere western stuff. Grain the size of pebbles.

Oh well, at least it was cheap as hell :D:cool:
 
Ha ha, that's interesting question, but I don't know if 35mm film were covered by patents.

Then you may ask how Soviets later made copies of Japanese tape players and such? Globalization begun earlier than you may think, answer is :)
 
The Soviet Union made its own film. Efke, Foma, Orwo, and Forte also made film in the communist countries of Eastern Europe after WWII. Svema was the name of the Soviet film, it was made in the Ukraine.
 
RangerCopy, the perforated 35mm film prior to WW2 was ordinary motion picture film.

During WW2 domestic production halted, and all film used by reds was Kodak stock film sent direct from Rochester, USA as part of lend-lease.

After WW2, old motion stock factories were upgraded with AGFA technology. Consumer-packaged 36exp rolls of film started to appear in 1950s I think.
 
Edison also invented it (the 35mm perforated that is, not film in general)
 
Even though a certain company liked to advertise something different, George Eastman did not invent film, indeed his personal contribution to the invention of film mostly consists of purchasing or stealing patents, and marketing them successfully...

Hannibal Goodwin did invent celluloid film, and his 1887 patent, held by Ansco (who successfully sued Kodak for royalties), already had expired before WW I and the Russian revolution.

Likewise, the 35mm perforation was invented by William Dickson, for Edison, in 1893. The ensuing patent battles formed the film industry up until the seventies (Edison, Lumiere and the big corporations they formed a trust with effectively had to cede the field of motion picture production and projection to a bunch of "independent" patent-infringing start-ups with roots in pornography, in other words "Hollywood"), but again, all of that was over well before the Soviet Union formed.
 
I suspect the most likely people to export film to the communists were capitalists … t’was always the way, ya can’t trust the buggers
 
35mm film is actually 1-3/8 inch film, slit down from Kodak 2-3/4 inch. As already stated it was perforated as early as the late 19th century and in common use (with a variety of perforations) in the early 20th. Chris has already listed communist-bloc film manufacturers, and as others have pointed out, the Soviet Union did not recognize patents or copyrights. The name ORWO came from ORiginal WOlfen, an Agfa plant; before WW2, Agfa already held patents on colour films.

Cheers,

R.
 
dotur said:
And what about EFKE films, produced in Zagreb, Croatia (former Socialist Yugoslavia)? KB25, R25? Pebbles?


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Cannot vouch for 1990s stock Efke, but modern day Efke 100 is sharp as a razor. I soup this in Rodinal 1:100 (or 1:50, or 1:25...) and it is brilliant. I'll see if I can attach a pic here.

Its on par with Adox and Rollei, easily. And Ilford Delta 100.

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Roger Hicks said:
Chris has already listed communist-bloc film manufacturers, and as others have pointed out, the Soviet Union did not recognize patents or copyrights
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Not entirely; USSR joined UCC in 1973, and IIRC started recognizing foreign patents sometime in 1960s.
 
varjag said:
Not entirely; USSR joined UCC in 1973, and IIRC started recognizing foreign patents sometime in 1960s.
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Dear Eugene,

I stand corrected; thank you. Even so, it was true for a long time. This is why I have no compunction in stealing line drawings (lens sections, rangefinder diagrams, etc.) from Foto Lyubitely, Minsk, 1963 (publication data from memory).

Cheers,

R.
 
Roger Hicks said:
as others have pointed out, the Soviet Union did not recognize patents or copyrights.
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As a matter of fact, they generally did, at least post WW2, except for strategic goods (where we did not respect them either). The SU academic system was second to the US (and well ahead of Japan and Germany) both in sheer numbers and in quality. Up into the seventies (when decay started to set in) they were a major intellectual property exporter and as such, had a vested interest in a working global patent system.
 
CLE-RF said:
Cannot vouch for 1990s stock Efke, but modern day Efke 100 is sharp as a razor. I soup this in Rodinal 1:100 (or 1:50, or 1:25...) and it is brilliant. I'll see if I can attach a pic here.

Its on par with Adox and Rollei, easily. And Ilford Delta 100.
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In fact, IT IS the old Adox formula, with a lot of silver:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efke
The 1970s and 1980s stock were also excellent - there was some "transitional" fluctuation in quality during the 1990s, maybe caused by the war...

However, it is not always easy to flatten and scan EFKE films, they are prone to curl.


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sevo said:
As a matter of fact, they generally did, at least post WW2, except for strategic goods (where we did not respect them either).
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I remember PDP-11 computer clones (marketed as genuine Russian) and of course supersonic transport airplane TU-144.
 
varjag said:
Not entirely; USSR joined UCC in 1973, and IIRC started recognizing foreign patents sometime in 1960s.
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They even supplied blueprints directly to the CIA, iirc an imaginary nuclear powered bomber’s plans among other things … and were believed; Sidney Reilly would have been spinning in his grave … if he has one ...
 
Copyright is regulation; regulation is anti-capitalist, no? :)
 
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