LightBender
Member
$3000 is a little over the price a used M8 (not M8.2 or M8u) can command on the market. I paid less for a new one 18 months ago. A used one now goes for around $2200, give or take.
I would love to move up to an M9, but that will probably take 3-4 years, maybe two if I'm really lucky (or stupid). So hanging on to the M8 now makes sense for me. I figure even when an M10 comes out, the M8 used prices will still hover around $1000. So for another 3-4 years of use, at minimum 5000 shots per year (probably much higher), the depreciation of $1200 is worth it to be able to keep shooting digital M.
Was thinking of M8u...
ianho
Newbie
I dont like using ND filters n I didn't buy a Leica to shoot stopped down.
edmelvins
Beardless User
The first reason should be enough to be the only reason.
That must be one special Leica.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
This comes parlous close to "Leica should make a camera to suit the way I shoot."
Like you, I don't like NDs but unlike you I buy my Leicas to shoot at all apertures, so I don't need to use NDs unless I want to shoot at very wide apertures in good light. Besides, you didn't address the point of the ISO 80 pull -- an option on the M9 but not the M8. ISO 80 @ 1/4000 = ISO 160 at 1/8000.
Cheers,
R.
ampguy
Veteran
Hi Roger
Hi Roger
You're probably aware, but using your aperture to compensate for fast shutter speeds is a compromise. Check out the resolution and diffraction losses from say f5.6 to f8 on most Leica lenses.
You might be better off going with ND filters, or back to the M8.
Hi Roger
You're probably aware, but using your aperture to compensate for fast shutter speeds is a compromise. Check out the resolution and diffraction losses from say f5.6 to f8 on most Leica lenses.
You might be better off going with ND filters, or back to the M8.
Olsen
Well-known
I am 'standing on one foot' trying to figure out what to do with my M-gear. I have sold both my film bodies, a MP and a Zeiss Ikon. I am not returning to film anymore. That was an easy decision.
Regarding the fate of my M8; I have not decided yet. I just might sell it all and stick to my Canon gear. I don't think that a M9 is a worthwhile upgrade that is going to cost me the difference between 7,000 $ and the 2,200 $ I might get for my M8 sold 2.hand. The difference; 4,800 $ is close to what I gave for my M8 brand new, back in the spring of 2007. Which I think is too much. A M10 will not be around before three years ahead. If at all.
I am going to Singapore in April next year. I will have a long chat with my favourite camera dealer & salesman (Cathay Photo, Marina Square & Sam Jeva) and see if they can come up with a favorable deal on a M9. If not; I just as well sell my whole M-gear collection.
Regarding the fate of my M8; I have not decided yet. I just might sell it all and stick to my Canon gear. I don't think that a M9 is a worthwhile upgrade that is going to cost me the difference between 7,000 $ and the 2,200 $ I might get for my M8 sold 2.hand. The difference; 4,800 $ is close to what I gave for my M8 brand new, back in the spring of 2007. Which I think is too much. A M10 will not be around before three years ahead. If at all.
I am going to Singapore in April next year. I will have a long chat with my favourite camera dealer & salesman (Cathay Photo, Marina Square & Sam Jeva) and see if they can come up with a favorable deal on a M9. If not; I just as well sell my whole M-gear collection.
downstairs
downstairs
I'd swap my M8.2 for an black MP any day. Shops aren't intersted - I think MPs are going to collectors nowadays at a higher value.
popeye
Established
I'll keep mine as long as it's functioning and it can be repaired, as to how long that might be... who knows.
barnwulf
Well-known
Forever.......????? That's much longer that I make plans for. I hate having to use a UV IR filter but, I have no intention of selling my M8 in the immediate future and maybe then some. M9 is just more money than I want to put into one camera. - jim
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Theoretically, and clearly so in the lab, but not normally in real life.
Also, the ISO 80 'pull' allows you to use 1/4000 instead of 1/8000 at the slowest film speed.
After all, EVERYTHING is a compromise, and the compromise I prefer is the much quieter (and probably longer lived) 1/4000 shutter. And full frame. And no UV/IR filters.
Cheers,
R.
viramati
Established
just traded mine in for a couple of hundred pounds less than I got it for
fefe
Established
I see a few here think that because their 25 years old computer still works, their M8 will last as long and unfortunately it's most likely not the case. The circuits used in these integrated devices used a lot more metal then than now and were significantly less subject to aging than what is produced nowadays. I don't remember the exact data from the teardowns of the M8, but it is probably using 90nm engraving tech (+or- one generation) while a 1990 device would have been using 1 micron gates or bigger. That's over 2 orders of magnitude in size and the amount of metal that can be lost in gates via electromigration. Obviously there has been a lot of work on circuit reliability in the same time so it's not 100x worse, but the chance for the circuits in the M8 to still function in 25 years is probably an order of magnitude lower than the ones that 1990 circuit had.
So yes you can find computers that lasted long, but trust me, the ones that are being built today won't last as long and the better (faster and lower power) the tech gets, the least it'll last.
So yes you can find computers that lasted long, but trust me, the ones that are being built today won't last as long and the better (faster and lower power) the tech gets, the least it'll last.
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phototektour
Established
Nice to know, to grow old together
I don´t care, you know
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I don´t care, you know
Jethro Tull - Too Old To Rocknroll Too Young To Die
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
Agreed, I adore the original M8. I think, if you get the sensor replaced, it's perfect. 1/8000 is awesome...I get happy every time I see it on the dial.
I would love an M9, but unless I have the kind of drastic change in my personal income that would make me not feel uncomfortable owning one, I will probably never get one. I don't mind the crop sensor or the 10MP one bit.
The M8 is my favorite camera I have ever had, by a wide margin. I will probably use it until it dies.
Ben Z
Veteran
Guess I should update my response. M8 sold. I tried shooting together with the M9 but the on-and-off of IR filters on wide angles, and other differences in the interface and features was a pain. I thought about keeping it just as a backup for the M9, but felt it was too much money to tie up, and with it being out of warranty, I feared the economics of a major repair. My DLUX-3 served admirably as a backup (never had to use it) for the M8 for 3 years, and will do so with the M9.
lovetodraw
Member
I ;ove this camara. I bought one second hand last april. I think for me this camara provides more than enough for what I need. I would love the m9 but the price is just too steep. Yes, I will keep this camara until it dies on me. Even if I get a m9 in the future, that is a big if, I still would keep it around as backup or to have the flexibility of shooting different lenses at the same time.
nakedcellist
Established
No I won't. If I don't use it anymore I will get rid of it, I am not a collector, in fact, I am now slowly getting rid of my unused camera's. 14 cameras is too much.. 5 should be enough.. but for now, I love my M8, it has actually made me shoot less on film.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
You mean you know how many cameras you own?
Good grief. I lost track in the 1980s. Almost certainly more than 20; probably fewer than 50.
Cheers,
R.
Jeff S
Well-known
Different strokes...
My recent work comes from two M8.2s. Don't mind the crop, and the filters were put on once and have never come off or created any concern.
Last I checked, the 4000th shutter speed is a lot better than the 1000th on my M6s and M7s. And, the camera is quieter than the M9 and has some nice additions...sapphire screen, top display, etc...at a lower cost.
But, at the end of the day, none of this matters other than whether it suits my needs and style of shooting. Does for me; maybe not for others. Can't predict the future....why bother?
Jeff
My recent work comes from two M8.2s. Don't mind the crop, and the filters were put on once and have never come off or created any concern.
Last I checked, the 4000th shutter speed is a lot better than the 1000th on my M6s and M7s. And, the camera is quieter than the M9 and has some nice additions...sapphire screen, top display, etc...at a lower cost.
But, at the end of the day, none of this matters other than whether it suits my needs and style of shooting. Does for me; maybe not for others. Can't predict the future....why bother?
Jeff
Paul Luscher
Well-known
Didn't keep the M8 forever. M9 was too tempting.
But I'll probably have to keep the M9 forever. Figure, considering the cost of the M9, that any M10 will be at or over $10, 000. That price range is likely too stratospheric for me to ever afford a new Leica again.
Either that, or it's gonna be a helluva lot of trips to the blood bank....
But I'll probably have to keep the M9 forever. Figure, considering the cost of the M9, that any M10 will be at or over $10, 000. That price range is likely too stratospheric for me to ever afford a new Leica again.
Either that, or it's gonna be a helluva lot of trips to the blood bank....