Who lives in Arizona?

I'm with you Jorge, the good ol' Pacific Northwest sounds really good to me right now as well. After almost five years on Ohio, I still miss the rain and the mountains...

akptc, of the areas I've lived in for any length of time (Washington State, Texas, and Ohio) I still prefer the Pacific Northwest. Never too hot and rarely too cold, photographic opportunities out the wazoo. As I get older though, warmer, drier weather year-round sounds better and better. I'm not sure where I'll eventually end up, but I know I won't stay in Ohio too many more years.
 
djon,

While I can agree with much of what you say, when was the last time you were in Tucson. While the city proper is relatively compact it is engulfed in a very fast growing metro sprawl. To the northeast the sprawl is rapidly heading along I-10 up toward Casa Grande. With exception of the Gila Indian Reservation as a "buffer" eventually the Tucson metro area in that direction will "merge" with the Phoenix/Chandler sprawl.

In addition, the sprawl to the southeast (also along the I-10) corridor is amazing. In just a couple of years the Town of Vail (not the one in CO) grew from about 6000 pop. to 40000 and there's no stopping it. In addition, a large number of housing developments are now spreading along Old Spanish Trail which was the boundary road b/w ranchland on one side and Suarago East National Park on the other. That ranchland is becoming houses because so many people want to live "by the park".

Further, the sprawl south along I-19 through Green Valley to Tubac will soon reach the US/Mexican border at Nogales. The sad reality is, interstate highways breed sprawl.

In anticipation of eventual retirement and because of the scary rise in prices, we bought our house in Tucson three years ago. We are just amazed (and concerned) with the frenzied pace of development going on. The Tucson metro area population is now over 1 million and they keep on coming (just like my wife and I did).

I would also point out that Tuscon's Hispanic population dates well back to Spanish colonial times. Obviously, there is also a considerable Native American presence which is most evident these days by the presence of two casinos located on tribal lands abutting the city! Kind of an interesting irony seeing Native Americans prospering by taking the white man to the "cleaners". 🙂

Everything you say about the scenic areas is "spot on". It is the presence of large areas of National Parks, National Forest lands and Native American reservations that will hopefully ensure that despite the sprawl there will remain considerable areas of open space and natural beauty!

On balance, I very much like Tucson and AZ. But it is not "perfect" and there are some warts as well as beauty marks.

Regards,
George
 
I never heard of anybody toting a .458 win mag out here, since the worst that happens usually involves people, just as in Toronto or Atlanta. I carried a S&W 61 for a few years until I realized that it warped my perceptions of danger. I've been a bowhunter out here, never bothered with my Model 70... longbow, wooden arrows...for reasons parallel to my use of film and rangefinders.

Navajo people are, like most tribal people, both constrained and guided/illuminated by taboos, traditions. They rarely travel far and when they do they typically get anxious...because they're rooted closely to very specific chunks of land, as assigned by their tribal council and history..I dont think they relate particularly to generic scenery, certainly not through long lenses., though they are moved by weather and religiously-important mountains. I've never met a Navajo person who has traveled as extensively as I have on the Navajo Nation, and I don't feel I know it particularly well. Commonly they are reserved around white people, simply because they don't know our ancestry, whereas they immediately learn other Navajo's ancestry, and what it means...clan connections are sorted out in first meetings (clan membership is traditionally more important than nuclear family).However, they are warm and hilarious people. Patience and courtesy is required especially with those who live on the Nation: their relationship building process is slow and observant. I know almost nothing of other tribal groups, but what little I've seen (eg Pueblo and Zuni) indicates that each tribe is significantly different from the other.
 
George, you're right about Tucson's sprawl.

I tend to ignore it or blank out when I see that happening, probably the reason I've not turned arsonist or religious fanatic. I spent a few days there in 05, ignored the warts. Can't ignore warts in Phoenix, since it is one. Albuquerque is different in that it can't grow East because of ouradjoining Sandia Mountain cliff (a mile high next to a mile high city), can't grow North or West because of Navajo and Pueblo reservations, and is currently only beginning to grow South because of racial prejudice connected with the Hispanic population, which is concentrated South. As a result, Albuquerque is getting more dense and becoming more of a city. We have what's called the world's largest Intel plant here, fwiw...but that's in adjoining Rio Rancho, the most boring place on earth.

Navajo, in several elections, have for religious reasons been intensely opposed to casinos, unlike other tribes...so there are as yet no Navajo casinos. That will change (political pressure purchased by criminal lobbiests like Abramoff). They may have been opposed to gambling traditionally, when they came down from Canada, and the missionary activity among them was mostly protestant rather than Catholic (almost all other tribes became Catholic and have casinos), so they were taught that gambling was evil. Their yearning, obvious when one spends time with them, is for traditonal connection and simply to live in balance, to "walk in beauty." Corny but true in my casual experience. In the cities many do well, seeming Hispanic perhaps, and many do maintain their connections to the reservation. Terribly, however, most families seem to have catastrophic damage from alcohol, drugs, and now gangs. When that monster in California was killed recently, I'm afraid I celebrated: I knew what people like him were doing to the Navajo, not to mention their own people in Los Angeles. Navajo wouldn't celebrate a death, of course, but I'm not Navajo.

Here's a positive SW Indian connection in which I participate, partially in appreciation for friendship shown to me by Navajo people: www.futuresforchildren.com

My understanding of Tucson's Hispanic population is that yes, it does have ancient Hispanic elements, but it's mostly recent Mexican. New Mexican Hispanics regularly brag on 6-8 generations here, particularly those with families in the North, such as around Espanola and Taos. There's a schism between Mexicans and traditional New Mexicans that's played out politically and economically here. Traditional New Mexico Hispanics are often prosperous and satisfied, Mexican immigrants are characteristically hard-laboring people with hard-won citizenship or legitimate green cards. Albuquerque is several serious hours from the border.
 
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Jorge Torralba said:
"If any of you are an Intel exec and can get me back NOW, I will give you all of my brand new M gear" 🙂
Actually, I happen to be an Intel exec. I'll PM you my shipping address. Go ahead and start shipping the M gear and I'll.... uhh... start the... uhh .... the paperwork, yeah, that's it.... the paperwork for your transfer.... uhhh, and a raise too. Yeah, yeah! A big fat raise! And a BONUS!!.... Ahhh, yeah. Won't be long now, you'll be back in ... uhhh..... wherever... but don't forget to ship the M stuff FIRST!

P.S. I like AZ. Discovered it years ago on a solo vacation and have returned several times. But then, I only have to visit. Day-to-day livin' it I'm sure is whole different ball game. Hang in there Jorge! Spend some time posting pics of your "adventure."
 
djon,

Sounds like you have quite a connection and affection for the Navaho. Down in Tucson the main tribe is the Tohono O'dam (formerly called Pueblos). Whereas the Navaho craftspeople are primarily known for their rugs, the T.O. (women only) make spectacularly intricate horse-hair baskets (some are tiny - no bigger than a quarter - yet filled with exquisite designs).

I first learned of these baskets from an article in "Arizona Highways" magazine a publication I hightly recommend (amongst other things - they gave Ansel Adams a "contract" to fund him during his early, "lean" years).

Anyway, I had a chance to see these baskets "in person" at a Native American crafts gallery in Tucson (they feature work of tribes all over SW US and adjacent parts of Mexico). As is the case with Navaho rugs - the price tags are a "shocker". Collecting these baskets would make collecting Leica lenses seem like a poor man's hobby!!!!

Your correct that the "original" Hispanic population in Tucson is relatively small in proportion to the Mexican immigrant (and first generation) one. Interestingly, we have a number of Mexican-owned furniture and other craft stores in Tucson the owners of which actually live down in Nogales, Mexico - it's "only" a 60-mile commute! We have been primarily furnishing our house with such local craft-made pieces (e.g. a mesquite dining room set and traditional Mexical tile covered patio table set etc.) because we want these businesses to survive.

As to Phoenix - I know little about it except its big and not very attractive. Although we primarily fly into Tucson from NYC when we go out - occassionally we've tried going via Phoenix because it has more frequent air service. However, getting in and out of Sky Harbor Airport is a total pain in the butt and the spaghetti-like highway system is confusing as all get out. Then add the hour-and -half drive down truck-clogged I-10 and it just isn't worth it.

Someday I would like to spend a couple of day in Phoenix - see the Heard Museum, visit Talisen West - but then get out fast!

Regards,
George
 

Whats going on in the CAVE CREEK area? I had some friends move out there a few years ago to raise horses. I fortgot about all the horse shows around Arizona. That could be a good location for some film useage, or even using a rangefinder from horseback would be cool. The horse is always a great subject matter. Here I just found this for you.




The 51st Annual Scottsdale Arabian Horse Show has been scheduled for
February 17-26, 2006



Since 1955 the Annual Scottsdale Arabian Horse Show has set the pace in the Arabian horse world. The first show was held at the grounds of the Arizona Biltmore Hotel which was a beautiful setting for a horse show. The Scottsdale Arabian Horse Show was a first class show from the very first day.

After the show's beginnings at the Arizona Biltmore, Ann McCormick bought 150 acres in Scottsdale and made it into the horse facility known as Paradise Park which served the needs of the show for many years.

Since that time, the show has been held at Westworld in Scottsdale. It has grown from 50 horses to nearly 2000 horses bringing top owners, trainers and breeders from around the world competing for a chance at winning. A win at Scottsdale can mean big money in the breeding barns.



Arizona Arabian Horse Associatin
 
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