Who will be the first to make full frame EVF Camera/EVIL?

[dnk512]

The 'missed expression' because of the millisecond lag has a compensating technological fix. There are cameras that not only record 60 frames per second, but can save frames prior to you pressing the shutter. So, as most said: "It is only a matter of time/cost"

Shooting 8-60 frames per second and then proudly presenting a capture may/will be the way the pros and most snap-shooters are/will be shooting.

My only problem is that we are in the middle of the tech-evolution. Thus, new models every week and we are brainwashed into feeling less about what we do have. Several times I kept my camera in the bag because I did not want the 'crowds' to comment on my film or old digital model choices :bang:. It has gotten so bad for me that from a people/portrait photographer I am turning into a still/landscape one 😕.

 

[shadowfox]

The 'missed expression' because of the millisecond lag has a compensating technological fix. There are cameras that not only record 60 frames per second, but can save frames prior to you pressing the shutter. So, as most said: "It is only a matter of time/cost"

I personally do not want a solution like that.

Sure, picking out a frame from a video created by that Red camera would probably outclass any of my digital cameras. And that is a preferable method to employ for certain applications.

But then I will not be photographing, I'd be video editing. Which is not what I want to do.

Oh well, I still can use my film cameras 🙂

 

[ulrikft]

I can think of no reason any manufacturer would want to produce an EVF full-frame camera. Full-frame relates only to traditional film SLR cameras. EVF inherently does away with the prism and thus the need for the size and flange-to-film (sensor) distance required of film SLR lenses.

The only thing a large sensor gives any camera is less noise and more DoF tricks. The first is being achieved now with larger-than-point-n-shoot sensors, and the latter is only necessary for those few (pros and advanced amateurs) who wish that level of control. And even some of them ***-*** the idea of selective focusing as an 'amateur trick' (see other thread). So I see very little demand for full-frame cameras which are NOT also using traditional 35mm film lenses on them (and little enough demand for that).

So, no. Don't see it happening. However, that's just an opinion.

A larger sensor will always (with the same generation technology) have better noise performance, better dynamic range and more narrow dof-control. This is obviously important for many. It is also easier to create a good 20/1.4 (leica) than a 10/1.0 to make it similar for a m4/3-sensor. Trying to paint a picture of fullframe sensors as something marginal is.. weird.

 

[ulrikft]

Read Bill's explanation above for the technical reason of my statement.

I have been using E-P2 which has arguably one of the best EVF out there in the current crop of cameras. While it's perfectly sufficient for snapshots and arranged shots, I miss facial expressions (especially kids) because it appeared only some milliseconds later on the EVF.

At first I thought it was shutter lag, but then I realized that it's the EVF lagging.

My wife take family portraits and such, so she work a lot with kids. A missed expression could mean a lot of work to get that back or sometimes the photo shoot end up being a bust. And she's just doing this part time.

I can imagine for other professional full-time photographers (wedding, etc.) it would be worse.

These are the first generation EVFs... something tells me that they'll improve a lot the next 5 years.

 

[bmattock]

A larger sensor will always (with the same generation technology) have better noise performance, better dynamic range and more narrow dof-control.

Yes.

This is obviously important for many.

No, this is obviously important to a very small segment of the market.

It is also easier to create a good 20/1.4 (leica) than a 10/1.0 to make it similar for a m4/3-sensor. Trying to paint a picture of fullframe sensors as something marginal is.. weird.

Weird for enthusiasts like ourselves, yes. Weird for the rest of the world, which is 99.98% of the market, no. We're not the market - we're the minuscule drop in the bucket who occasionally get tossed a bone. I would love it if the manufacturers would cater to 'us', but the truth is we don't make them that much money, so they cater to Joe Schitt the Ragman.

 

[Kevin]

My prediction is that Canon will produce the first full-frame EVIL camera with a new line of lenses and adapters for both its EOS and FL/FD lenses.