Who's living the dream?

I'm living the dream everytime i am holding a camera, looking to the world with different eyes...And then i can see myself taking a commanding position as a famous photographer. As many people would dream, but i think having the responsability of offering to the people u r working for what they expect, the responsability of doing it even if it's no longer fun, the responsability of doing all u cna to get it done...

It's big, and i donno , the dream doesn't frustrate me, i'm enjoying how i am right now, anyway i'm goin to graduate as a nuclear engineer, and i also lvoe that, but it's more acceptable to have a full time job in this career...But photography, it's quite different.

We'll see...
 
Blimey you're a pessimistic lot...I guess I'll be on that bus again tomorrow then! Hah!

Though really, I'm in agreement in terms of the dangers of turning what is a most enjoyable hobby into a full time career...and you see this was what I was hinting at...it's the issue of all those 'buts'...which many of you have highlighted so well e.g. but it's competitive, but it's low paying, but the fun goes etc.

'But', is life really about having 'what ifs' (I should hint at this moment that I've recently moved into my 3rd decade of life and its playing havoc with my outlook!) because at the end of the day if we want it bad enough we'll get it - right? And hey, if we don't then at least we can say we had a flippin good try.

And being a realist (as well as a dreamer!) I've set myself the goal of trying to get published and have an exhibition somewhere, anywhere...so that it provides a focus for those creative energies and acts as a bit of a testing ground to see if it truely is something to progress.

Oh and yes - I mustn't forget to buy a lottery ticket this week!

And thanks all for your messages I've really enjoyed the views and feedback. And anyone else joining the debate please do put your two pennies worth in as well - the more the merrier!

Best,
Paula
 
> I've recently moved into my 3rd decade of life and its playing havoc with my outlook!)

It should not be. It should be a great time for you. Ease up a bit. I switched majors three times before finding something I loved.

Beniliam: I am sorry to hear about the loss of your Father. Mine passed away 15 years ago and I still miss Him greatly. I wish he was here for my daughter.
 
it does get easier beniliam.

my dad died when i was a baby and i didn't start to grieve till i was about 28.
my mom died when i was 36 and that was very hard. we were more like friends.
but time helps and yes, so does photography.
keep shooting.

joe
 
Beniliam
Please accept my condolences for your father´s death. I´ve lost mine when I was 16, and my mother when I was 35, but even being passed many years I still miss both.
My dad started me in photography, and sometimes I wish he was here to show him what I´ve been doing all this years.
As you say, life can be bright one day, and turning to black the day after. However, the light is just waiting for Us to open our eyes.

I found in photography the resort to do what I want, but I needed many years of a day jobs to get assured of my ability to keep the roof over my head, and now some years later I do not regret what I´ve done.

Perhaps I wasn´t self confident enough to do it when I wanted, but most important is that I know that I´m still able to do it!

Mi advice, Keep going on... but do not loose the sight of the horizont!

As an advice to Paula, who originated this thread...
I still love what I´m doing in electronics, just because I resigned many oportunities of making big money doing something I didn´t want to. Do not forget what is your target, and pursue it as long as you know you don´t have to resign of your thoughts.
Life is for once, and anyone of Us must live it the best possible way.
Ernesto
 
Paula,

There was a time when, returning from a trip, even my wife was excited about my photos. The thought of trying something wild crossed my mind: weddings first, then travel books and other things.

But I have a mortgage.

So, I reset my sights and now I keep shooting, hoping that the day I die, someone will go through my slides and negatives and find enough to display in a nice exhibit: like a glimpse in the old DeKalb.

BTW, find out if some coffee shop or restaurant is photography friendly and get your own show going. That's what I actually did here, and got a show going three years ago. My first choice of Costa Rica photos hung for about a month at our local coffee-watering spot.

Did I give up the dream? You can say I did. However, I prefer to see myself as a documentarian.

Thanks for starting this thread!

PS. Beniliam, siento mucho lo de tu padre. Al menos tuviste su apoyo en su momento. Ahora te toca usar la experiencia para expresarte a través de tus imágenes.
 
My condolences, my father died a couple o months before i was born, i don't miss him since i've never met him but from what i hear even his negative things said he was a great person, everybody missed him and guess what they found their condolences in me...There r many common things between us, an my fed 2 was his and now it's mine, his belongings are now mine, i'm not thinking of painting it or doing anything to change its looks, i lvoe it the way it is, i lvoe the fact that it was my father's...Strange that now i feel the bond, whenever i start doing something, i find things to help me that belonged to him...

It's strange, i've never seen him, i don't miss him , i don't care if i ahven';t lived with him, but i think i love this guy...!
 
I do not agree tha going pro kil;ls the dream. I am a professional portrait/studio/wedding photographer. As such I use a lot of medium format. My relaxation is using rangefinders for fun work amd 35 SLR for nature.wildlife. The studio work pays the bills and the RF work soothes the mind. I even live in my studio. I find my passion for informal shooting is even greater now. I juar recently sold off a profitable snall vusiness to go full time photography.
I always felt that it would be sad toi grow old and think what if.
 
From an old friend I´ve learned that the worst that can happen to anyone is that at the last second of our lives, to die with the question getiing ot from our lips... what would have been if...

Just to avoid spending my life stupidly, I decided to do it (whatever it is) at the time I can, and keep the target in my mind, as long as I can hold the pursue.

Then, now at 52, I realized that tomorrow can be too late. So I do it right now... not to leave any question unanswered.

Beniliam:
Agradezco tus palabras. Los padres de alguna manera nos siguen viendo. Y de qué paradoja me hablas?? No hay tal... es así la vida y hay que seguir!!!!
Un abrazo, y si quieres, mi e-mail o PM esta disponible por si quieres conversar!!

Ernesto
 
I too would like to share my reply to Beniliam (hope that's alright David?):

David (Beniliam),

Thanks for your heartfelt message - and my deepest condolence for you and your family for the loss of your father.

I think you have captured the feeling very nicely in terms of the passion that many of us feel about our photography. And it's with that passion that we can channel so much of the emotion we have to deal with in everyday life - whether its stress, happiness, sadness, loss, etc. So if there is one reason alone to commit to photography then it must be that!! Whether its as a paid pro or a diehard amateur.

Thank you all for this really interesting thread.

Best,

Paula
 
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Paula,
I have been in the creative industry for a long time. I am an art director now and have had some professional success at what I do. My family was very skeptical. One family member being a rocket scientist (for real) was expecting to support me and my family but now is quite proud of the lifestyle I have been able to provide for my family. Photography can be very tough, competitive and under appreciated just like graphic design, illustration and many other types of creative professions. If you want to do this it will take a lot of work, determination, and some time to feel like you have achieved some sort of success. If you do this I would find a mentor and learn as much as you can from them. My only other piece of advice that I have found to work is not to give up.

"Success seems to be largely a matter of hanging on after others have let go." - William Feather
 
ErnestoJL said:
From an old friend I´ve learned that the worst that can happen to anyone is that at the last second of our lives, to die with the question getiing ot from our lips... what would have been if...
Ernesto

Only to ask on your deathbed - what if I hadn't been so rash and impulsive? 😀
 
Photography was a hobby of mine as a child, as a teenager, I worked part time for other photographers and also an advertising agency, Now,for the last 30 years I have owned and operated my own studio for commercial and industrial photography. Over the years it has been exciting, exhilarating, boring, monotonous, tedious, and tiresome. All the emotions, just as with any job. To succeed, you have to be a good business-person first, and secondly, a good photographer. There have been times when I would not pick up a camera for personal expression, and now for some reason, I am again energized to make personal images, it goes in cycles. It will dull you enthusiasm for making "art", when you have to make money with the same tools.

Consider, no one wants to "work" 24 hours a day. If you shoot photos all day for your job, do you want to go out and shoot all evening for your soul? Some people can do this, others can not. fortunately, I have had many artistic interests in my life, from design, to musical performance, to collecting things.

If you have a talent for business, and a love of photography perhaps you can make the two come together into a nice living. Unless you are lucky, though, it may take a few years to show a profit.
 
This question was asked on DSLRexchange. The final post is by a member who is a professional photographer.

http://www.dslrexchange.com/forums/...p?p=829#post829

Brian, thats funny. I went to the link to see what was written and get another viewpoint, and find that it was me who wrote that reply 🙂 Here we are again, at the same question in another venue just some months later.

Things have also changed for me in the business since that post above. I just opened up a 2,000sq ft studio 9 days ago. I still have blisters from moving, setting up the equipment, painting the walls, cleaning the 288 window panes, mounting the backgrounds, prop pieces, etc.

Living a dream?? Yes and no. My dream was to give up the software engineering life, hours of sitting in bad lighting in front of a monitor, sitting in hours of boring corporate meetings. My dream was to find a way to work for myself, work in ever changing work environments, and find something that uses my artistic ability and gives me daily challenges.

Having done well in software engineering during the Internet phase, and being married to a wife at a high corporate level with a very nice salary, has given me the opportunity to take the risk associated with doing photography on a full time basis. Without those buffers, it would be a very hard road to travel. I'm lucky in that I didn't need to make a salary in the startup phase. I didn't have mouths to feed, nor a mortgage to pay. With my wifes salary more than adequate to handle the financial responsibilities at home, I was free to build and invest in the business to jump start it. Without that buffer, I think it would have been much much harder.

Yes, the business is very competitive. Even worse with the semi-pro and advanced amateurs running side line business. They tend to eat up the more mundane jobs that was used to pay the rent for the pros between the more glamorous jobs. So the pros have to fight harder for those higher end jobs, and there are more going after them with their other work reducing.

And its the semi-pro and advanced amateurs that have actually made the entry into the field harder, thus excluding them from the field they actually want to enter. With more and more semi-pros going after the mundane jobs, the rates have fallen to new lows. They don't have a studio overhead, liability insurance, taxes, etc, so they charge far less than a professional could. When (or if) they decide to turn pro, they find they can't because they can't afford the overhead based on the rates they need to charge to be competitive against the other advanced amateurs, and they don't have the experience, background, or portfolio to go after the higher paying jobs. The have created catch-22 for themselves professionally, but a nice niche market if they want to stay semi-pro.

For a professional to make it, they need to concentrate on marketing in areas that semi-pros can't, or don't. Things like product photography, corporate, annual reports, catalogs,for example. While I seem lots of semi-pros lining up to shoots major sporting events, portraits, etc, I see very few with the knowledge or background to do consistent on demand product work. An editor at a magazine will tell me that if I don't accept the $200 per day for editorial magazine work, there will be a line behind me that will shoot just for a credit line in the magazine, and he's right. So pros pass on the $200 a day rate since can't afford to take that work, and it becomes the domain of the semi-pros.

The only people I see lined up behind me in competition for a corporate product shot at $700+expenses per day are other professional photographers. They all have studios, overhead, insurance, etc, and are charging accordingly. Thus the rates stay high, but competitive. Yea, its still competitive with a lot of photographer going after the work, but there is plenty of work going around. And when you factor in the cost of overhead, salary, expenses, profit, and that only 30% or so of a photographers time is actually billable, even at $700 its not a great rate.

Weddings are another lucrative area. Many people in this market are semi-pros, as well as full time wedding professionals. Most of the amateurs stay away from this work because of the liability involved, plus the fact you will be booking jobs as far as a year or more in advance. Its just not an attractive market for amateurs looking for capital to fund their equipment purchases like portraits are. But the profits from doing one decent wedding a month all year long would go a very long way toward covering the studio expenses. I've contemplated getting back into weddings for that reason. It will fill the gap between corporate work, and in fact I enjoyed the creativity of doing weddings. But its been a long time! I've got to build a new portfolio to do that.

Can professional photography pay well? Yes. Very well in fact, and you don't even need to be famous. I know of more than one photographer making $250K+ in sales from stock photography alone. But they are not the norm. But a hard working pro can do quite well for themselves, especially in the commercial and advertising areas. Photojournalism and editorial fare less, but in some ways are far more interesting in the variety of jobs you do. That richness in life experience from that type of work can be worth far more to someone that cash would. So its a reasonable trade off for some.

My advise. Look at photography as a business. Examine all aspects of if to assess if you have the skills, and would enjoy the work. You will spend 70% of your time managing the business rather than taking images. You will be doing accounting, negotiating with clients, spending time on the phone tracking down a widget to use as a prop, securing location permits, attending various events for networking, cold calls to potential clients, writing terms and conditions, managing production budgets, etc. You will get jobs you love to do, and you will get jobs that you take because you need to pay the rent. Hopefully, they will be balanced well so that you will enjoy your work.

Whats funny is that the more time you spend actually taking images, the less money you make. Areas like photojournalism and editorial where you spend the most time shooting, are the lowest paid. The areas like advertising where you get paid the most, you spend more of your time in 'production mode', and far less time actually shooting. Much like a movie set, where you spend 3 hours setting up and tearing down, for 15 minutes of shooting time.

My dream job? Nah. My dream job would selling erasers for pencils. Set up the business to run itself, pay loyal employees, and take a penny for each one. Then travel around the world on the patent royalties and the income from the business. Since that isn't going to happen, I can't think of anything else I'd like to do more than shooting photography for a living!

Wow, just looked back to proof read this (which I'm not now,too long 🙂 ), and realized I rambled on, and on... and on...sorry. Hope you find it worth time reading.
 
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Areas like photojournalism and editorial where you spend the most time shooting, are the lowest paid. The areas like advertising where you get paid the most, you spend more of your time in 'production mode', and far less time actually shooting. Much like a movie set, where you spend 3 hours setting up and tearing down, for 15 minutes of shooting time.

I took a machine shop class a few years ago for fun. Most of the people in it were trying to get a marketable skill. It's an interesting field, as it is rather skilled labor, but many of the jobs are factory lines paying peanuts. However, if you're willing to hang out a shingle and be a problem solver, you can make good money. The reward is very much tied to the amount of risk you're willing to assume yourself. If you've ever had to have any automotive machining done or hire a machinist to fix or make something for you - you'll wish you were paying the dentist instead - while joe bloe is probably making $8/hr (before taxes and the unions) churning out CV joints every few minutes.
 
I stopped working as a time professional to run my own pub. In some ways the jobs are very similar -being self employed is all about paying the bills, and this is no different no matter what you actually do. For me the pub takes the place of jobbing work and leaves me to do what I love, my personal work. I also found that doing the more basic phtography commisions killed my creativity because it's so conservative there's no room for experimentation. I enjoy my photography more now because there's no pressure and no one to answer to.
 
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