Why always the BBC ??

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Why is it always the BBC that has these great programs? Anybody else see that documentary on Jacques Lowe last night , the photographer that introduced Leica in the White House, thus making the Kennedy's the most intemately documented Presidential family of all time? No wonder I hardly watch our local television!
 
I missed this one. But I saw the features on Marilyn Monroe and Audrey Hepburn in the BBC2 series "The world's most photographed" and they were excellent. I learned, e.g., that Audrey Hepburn's fragile appearance was not at last caused by a hunger period during war time from which she apparently never completely recovered. There is an accompanying exhibition in the National Portrait Galery in London. Unfortunately, the NPG shows wrong opening hours on its webpage (late night opening is on Wednesday not on Thursday and Friday). So I stood in front of closed doors last week when I wanted to see the exhibition :-(

I general, the BBC is truly a class of its own. Way superior to any other public TV I know. Another extremely interesting documentary was shown on Tuesday: "After the war." A very unusual view on the post war period in Germany. You could see that people traded German rangefinder folding cameras for some cigarettes on the black market ...

Even the BBC's own movie productions are worth seeing and easily compete with current cinema material (e.g. The Girl in the Cafe, The State of Play ...). Can't praise enough the BBC.
 
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Rumpole of the Bailey - people keep telling me it is not a comedy, but it makes me laugh.
Red Dwarf
Thin Blue Line
Blackadder, of course
Are You Being Served?
Waiting for God
Fawlty Towers
Keeping Up Appearances
Bless Me, Father
The Young Ones

I never get to see them anymore - sigh. American TV is a load of horse hockey. I end up watching HGTV and Food Network with my wife, and that's wearing a trifle thin.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
TPPhotog said:
Sounds like you may be talking about "The World's Most Photographed" I missed it last night as it was only Kennedy. Last weeks on Marilyn Monroe and 2 or 3 weeks ago on Audrey Hepburn were both amazing 🙂

As a matter of fact I was; it was the first installment I saw, as I'm usually too lazy to look for program listings. I'll certainly be looking for the next ones.
What truly amazes me is that a large number of BBC programs are made by Endemol (yes- the Dutch company that gave the thankful world Big Brother, Idols and similar intellectual gems) and that they reserve the garbage for their home networks.
 
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I always knew American TV was vacuous at best, but after spending a summer in England and watching too much BBC, I came to realize how pervasive the self-censorship is, also. The BBC was awesome, not only for its shows but especially the documentaries and current events programs. I saw footage of American soldiers in Afghanistan, including one where the GI's threatened the BBC film crew if they didn't stop filming, that you just would never see on American TV. To their credit, the BBC kept filming, and the American special forces soldiers didn't carry through on their threat. Most Americans would bristle at the thought we live under heavy "censorship," yet the fact they also don't want to entertain that notion speaks volumes. But the BBC does it too, sort of; BBC America keeps the juicy political stuff off the air, so you only get to watch it in Europe.
 
CBS tried to upgrade American TV with programs like "Playhouse 90," but they were expensive to produce, and the American audience was at that time awfully interested in series presentations like "The Fugitive," "Route 66," "Gunsmoke," sitcoms and variety shows. Not that programs like "The Fugitive" were bad...actually they were far superior to a lot of what is on TV today. The problem was a 90 minute drama program simply didn't work for a large part of the viewing public on a weekly basis.

Jon
 
sooner said:
I always knew American TV was vacuous at best, but after spending a summer in England and watching too much BBC, I came to realize how pervasive the self-censorship is, also. The BBC was awesome, not only for its shows but especially the documentaries and current events programs. I saw footage of American soldiers in Afghanistan, including one where the GI's threatened the BBC film crew if they didn't stop filming, that you just would never see on American TV. To their credit, the BBC kept filming, and the American special forces soldiers didn't carry through on their threat. Most Americans would bristle at the thought we live under heavy "censorship," yet the fact they also don't want to entertain that notion speaks volumes. But the BBC does it too, sort of; BBC America keeps the juicy political stuff off the air, so you only get to watch it in Europe.

You are absolutely right, but one must be fair. Although it surprised me when I was overseas and discovered that the US does self-censor what the US public sees in the way of news, I also had some friends from the UK over here, and they were amazed at what they didn't get at home in the way of news about the 'Troubles' as they called the Irish situation. They also had no idea that the RUC was categorized as a 'terrorist organization' by the USA and none of their members were allowed entry here. It was actually against the law in the UK to speak of the IRA or Sinn Fein on news media there:

http://www.american.edu/carmel/dh2982a/uk14.html

See:

Northern Ireland and Official Secrets Act

I would say in general your statement was absolutely correct - the US news media tends to self-censor to a greater extent than most Americans know or would believe. At least they have more freedoms to report if they desire to than journalists in other countries, including the UK.

But I mean no attack on anyone's system of reportage or laws governing secrecy, etc. Just pointing out that the US is hardly the worst offender here.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Bill,

You are absolutely right, and this is another area where I admittedly apply a double or higher standard to the US, partly because I'm American and don't want to have my news censored for me, and partly because I buy into all our self-righteous notions of being the best, most free and fair country in the world. But saying we're not the worst offender isn't much of a defense, unless we want to admit we should be no better than anyone else. You hear some people defending Abu Ghraib by saying, "yes, but think about what the Saudis would have done to them." These things travel in predictable business cycles. Some day, when it's popular to self-flagellate and say our mea culpas, you'll see Barbara Walters touring Guantanamo shaking her head in sad disbelief. On that day, I will be at home vomiting.
 
Dear Sooner,

You are right: the USA must hold itself to the highest standards of all. It has, in a sense, more to live up to: it is one of the few countries founded on such dreams as human rights and freedom. Others came to such ideas/ideals later.

But increasingly I believe that all countries are more alike than they are different, and that all are increasingly convergent. Many have adopted such American ideals as suited them, while the USA itself has abandoned or at least grievously watered down distressingly many.

I'm slightly surprised at Bill's comments about its being against the law to mention the IRA or Sinn Fein, because I certainly never noticed their absence in the media and indeed it would have been impossible NOT to mention them. I mean, take the Birmingham pub bombing (I used to drink there occasionally). They couldn't say, "There has been a bomb attack but we're not allowed to say who by," could they?

Or given Tony Bliar's mania for secrecy and control, maybe that's what we'll be hearing quite soon...

Cheers,

Roger
 
In my more pessimistic moments I find my self humming the theme song from the movie "Brazil"...
I watch very little TV news at all anymore. I do always have good batteries in my shortwave radio. I try to get at least a couple of different views of the daily news. None are neccessarily bad but each certainly have their own axe to grind and by combining them I hope to get a fair "average".
Rob
 
I've liked the BBC World Service (on channel 28 in the Los Angeles area at various times) because they show footage and stories from the world that we never see on "local" news, as well as deliver "the news" with a certain dispassion; like, "here's what happened", with no jokes or personal commentary. Local news is awful; a car bombing, then a story on the pink poodle in the tree. The main problem with our american local news, is that they don't want us to "get upset". Like Bush said after 911, "KEEP SHOPPING!". Advertisers don't like competition.

Fortunately, many of us do have real feelings for ourselves, for people and the world. And I think many of us do something about it, even in a small way such as warmly saying hi to the neighbor whose having a blue day (with lens filter or without 🙂). At least the BBC does some things US news does not. And that is one thing I feel Europe in general has going for it; a pride in being aware of more than their own backyard.

God Save the BBC, I mean, the Queen.

C.
 
One basic thing that I think would help our country would be the use of "Peterson Projection" world maps. This is a map that shows the relative sizes of the countries of the world. It's an aproximation(as any flat map of the globe will be) but it shows a rather different view than most world maps.
Rob
 
This self-censorship discussion is interesting in the light of the documentary that started this thread: It was made very clear that the journalists and photographers around JFK managed to keep the extent of his back-injury and his extramaritial excursions totally secret from the American public....
 
bmattock said:
Rumpole of the Bailey - people keep telling me it is not a comedy, but it makes me laugh.
Red Dwarf
Thin Blue Line
Blackadder, of course
Are You Being Served?
Waiting for God
Fawlty Towers
Keeping Up Appearances
Bless Me, Father
The Young Ones

I never get to see them anymore - sigh. American TV is a load of horse hockey. I end up watching HGTV and Food Network with my wife, and that's wearing a trifle thin.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks


We get a lot of U.K. comedy reruns on PBS on Saturday night. "Keeping up Appearences" is one of the funniest shows on either side of the Atlantic, IMHO.🙂
 
The one I miss most (after seeing it here on PBS) is Blake's 7. It would be the perfect show these days...

William
 
bmattock said:
Rumpole of the Bailey - people keep telling me it is not a comedy, but it makes me laugh.
Red Dwarf
Thin Blue Line
Blackadder, of course
Are You Being Served?
Waiting for God
Fawlty Towers
Keeping Up Appearances
Bless Me, Father
The Young Ones

I never get to see them anymore - sigh. American TV is a load of horse hockey. I end up watching HGTV and Food Network with my wife, and that's wearing a trifle thin.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

Many of these, if not all have been, or are being shown on BBC-America, a cable TV channel available on Cable (what else), or Satellite. Also, BBC produced material is shown on AETV and many PBS afiliates. Not to mention the History Channel, and History International. Not all good British programs are BBC, though. It is not difficult to see British TV programming here in the States, we just can't see the current brand new episodes in the same time frame as our British friends.
 
phototone said:
Many of these, if not all have been, or are being shown on BBC-America, a cable TV channel available on Cable (what else), or Satellite. Also, BBC produced material is shown on AETV and many PBS afiliates. Not to mention the History Channel, and History International. Not all good British programs are BBC, though. It is not difficult to see British TV programming here in the States, we just can't see the current brand new episodes in the same time frame as our British friends.

I'm in Wilson, North Carolina. I love it here, I'm not complaining, but buddy, we got NASCAR and precious little else. I'm not about to buy a satellite dish just to see John Cleese, but it would be nice to have.

It's like the people who urge me to patronize my local camera shop. The nearest one is 60 miles away, so sadly, no. We don't ALL live in suburbia, dang it.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Bill,

I too love "Rumpole of the Baily". I have most of the episodes on tape and all of John Mortimer's books.

You may notice a caricature of a familiar fellow as my avatar.

Cheers, Glen Barnett
 
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