Why do i have to get leica lust NOW??

I think this is the kit i'm going to strive for over the next year.

M6 ( chrome or black i dont care ) non TTL
Zeiss ZM 28/35/50 w/ accompanying lens shades.

and a boatload of Neopan Acros 100 / Neopan 400 / Neopan 1600

( and a little bit of Fuji Velvia 100s)
 
My personal biases:

Konica Hexar RF: a no-brainer, given that I have two of 'em. However, while the shutter itself is very quiet, the motorized advance/rewind is somewhat less so - definitely not crazy-SLR-loud, but if Leica-M-quiet is your gold standard, it's a touch loud (this is why I now have added a non-motorized Konica Auto S3 to the mix; the ultimate in 35mm quiet of course would be the quieter-than-a-Leica Hexar autofocus, but you can't change lenses on it). Battery dependency is another issue, but mostly a non-issue with the HRF since that pair of CR2s it uses will last a year of very spirited shooting. I've used assorted Leica glass on both of mine, and, thus far, had no compatibility issues. High maximum shutter/flash sync speed (1/4000 and 1/125 respectively). Since I do shoot with flash on occasion (yeah, I know, boo-hiss...but these are my first-line shooters for both work and personal stuff, and the former sometimes requires flash), the higher sync speed is nice to have. Beautifully built...I like to think that the gang at Konica saw what was likely in store for them a few years down the road, and decided to go out with a bang instead of a whimper. They succeeded, IMO.

Leica M6 "classic"/M6 TTL: Having said all the above, and despite having gotten the aforementioned Auto S3 for "quiet work", I'd really, really like to have an M6 alongside the HRFs. They're cousins of a sort - almost a Patty Duke/Cathy Duke sort of thing (well, Patty not being quite so loud in this case...man, I'm giving away my age here), and the next time I think I can swing a grand without courting financial disaster elsewhere, that's likely what I'll get (with one possible exception...see last item on list). I lean closer to the TTL because, yes, I'm not allergic to clipping a flash atop it when necessary, and although TTL is hardly a must-have (to my delight, I've managed quite well without this feature on the HRF), if I can get an M6 with it, it sure wouldn't hurt. I suppose the one minor nagging thing is that, as other Leica folk have pointed out, the TTL's shutter speed dial, while easier to manipulate than on the Classic, operates in a counterintuitive direction from earlier Ms; even the HRF's dial follows Leica tradition, but since the HRF's dial is actuated by one's thumb, instead of index finger, in an odd way it actually seems compatible with the TTL's when switching between them. Honestly, I could live with either M6, as long as it was black, and in user shape rather than collector-mint - it's going to get used a lot, after all.

Leica M5: Kind of big, IMO, but quite nice and usable. Unfortunately, the time to have bought one was at least eight years ago, when you could still find one at a halfway-sane price. Collectors have decided the Ugly Duckling of Wetzlar is now a desirable swan. I'd pass.

Leica M4: nice, but since it's also coveted for its made-in-Wetzlar-the-old-fashioned-way-ness, it costs too much, sometimes way too much, even for a really-worn-around-the-edges black body. As can be assumed from my love of the Hexar, I'm particular, but hardly a purist.

Leica M3: Fantastic, so long as you shoot 50mm or longer. IMO, needing to use an external VF for 35mm lenses is a bit much. For others, this doesn't seem to be much of a liability. And if you're fond of 90mm lenses, the M3 is killer.

Leica M2: Got the 35mm frameline...but why, oh why the manual-reset frame counter?

The CV Bessas: They got the build quality under control as of the R2 (the original R that I worked with was a bit scary in that regard). Great VF, decent control layout. Don't care much for the manual frameline-setting thing (yep, I'm spoiled), though I suppose I could learn to live with that (but how come the Z-I, also built by Cosina, appears to have auto framelines, huh?). What I can't learn to live with is the shutter noise, which is Dogawful loud for a non-motorized rangefinder (probably because it uses a double-shutter system to prevent stray light from reaching the film). The R2a/R3a shutter is somewhat quieter, but it ain't no M. Depending on your needs, this may or may not be a biggie. Last issue is an anecdotal one, by way of a colleague using an R2a with optional trigger-wind: the trigger-wind mechanism, at least on his Bessa, had a habit of creating "roving" framelines, which quickly got on said colleague's nerves. He still has both, but since he recently got hold of an M3, that combo isn't getting much mileage now.

Zeiss-Ikon: To quote Batman (c. 2005), "Can I get one in black?"


- Barrett
 
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agphotography said:
but would the M3 be good for wide angle work? ive got my sights on that new zeiss 25mm too.

why does there have to be so many decisions?!?!? haha. it is a virus.. it seriously is.

The M2 is better for 35mm lens use, and the more modern M Leicas like the M4-P can handle a 28mm lens, but a 25mm lens would require a seperate finder in most cases anyhow. I have used my M3 with a 35mm Lens and a seperate finder and also with my Canon 25mm Lens and a seperate finder. It was not much of a problem to use the M3 with these lenses.
 
amateriat.. wow man.. that has to be the biggest most thought out response to any of my questions ive ever asked.

*applause*

now youve got me thinking... maybe ill get a Hexar RF to compliment my M6 😉 instead of an M4.
 
i may have a good deal on an M4-P in excellent condition w/ a recent CLA that comes with a 40mm f/2 Rokkor lens.

what would you guys say to that? i dont have to get the lens per-say, but the body itself sounds pretty good.
 
(In best Monty Python/Douglas Adams delivery): Oh. dear, I hadn't thought of that one...

As I mentioned in terms of the M4, the M4-P has no meter - a virtue to some, a bit of a vice to others - but since it ain't a Wetzlar product (to quote that critical line toward the end of Syriana, "You're the Canadian"), prices should be a good deal more reasonable. The 40mm Rokkor is good, but remember, none of the M-cameras have 40mm framelines (that lens should bring up the 50mm framelines in most cases), so you'll need to make a mental adjustment when using that lens. If you can get a good deal for the body alone, that would be the way to go, IMO.

- Barrett
 
well i was looking at sub- $1000 for the body. yes i know it has no meter. bummer.

thats alright for a first body i would imagine, ya know? i can always turn around and sell it for an m6, or i can keep it for the nuclear holocaust when electronics wont work.

heres a pic i was sent today by the owner, hes taking more for me tonight. he said the tape was to cover the leica dot, and is off now.

 
I like the link below the image: "Report this image as offensive/adult content". I guess it is porn of a sort. ;-)

A bit more seriously: if the price is right, I'd jump for it. I am partial to built-in meters, but that's because the very first two 35mm cameras I ever owned (a Yashica 5000E Lynx, which my sainted Dad bought for me way back in the summer of '72, followed by an Electro 35 GTS when the Lynx broke beyond redemption) had a meter, and the next camera after these, bought with my own money this time (a spankin' new Canon F-1, my entree to the SLR world) had one as well, so I was among the first generation of snot-nosed kids who wouldn't touch a camera without a meter in it (my loss, really...what if I'd gone for an M4 instead!?). In the name of full disclosure, I bought a used Sekonic L-428 handheld from the late and much-lamented Sal DiMarco less than two years ago, because...hey, you never know.

- Barrett
 
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Are you interested in actually using the camera? Or having it just to have it? I'm infected by rangefinder-itis too... and managed to get rid of it... or suppress it, more like...

I got a Zero Image 6x12 pinhole camera and, just recently, a beautiful brassed Rollei 35S. I'd suggest one because it's a wonderful picture-taker-- more portable than a Leica, but still with full manual control, a beautiful lens, and zone focusing, which works out fine in most daytime streetshooting applications. I got mine for around $150 a couple of weeks ago-- seems that their prices are dropping like flies. A cheap way to buy a nice lens with a body attached!

This'll likely be my last film camera.
 
Drec: I've a lot of respect for your choices, but I've also gotten used to cameras with coupled rangefinders (and my weather-beaten Olympus XA, firmly among that category, is in fact smaller than a Rollei 35S).

At this point in time, I think the Hair-shirt Factor in photography is relative: I've given up TTL viewing, autofocus (except for my still-need-to-send-out-for-repair Ricoh GR1), fancy multi-pattern metering, and near-double-digit motor drive speed. What I've gained: smaller, lighter but still well-built cameras/lenses; less shoulder pain; freedom from agonizing decisions about what to take and what to leave behind - the whole kit now fits into one reasonably-sized shoulder bag.


- Barrett
 
Heh. It'll be my last-- because I've gotten married and my wife monitors everything that comes in, and she had a 'no more film cameras' policy in place 5 months ago... I suppose I'll break this camera to her in a few months when we go travelling...

So, my cure for GAS was not my doing... but it still certainly could be my undoing!
 
sirius: I guess the moral to all this is that a camera is worth what you bring to it emotionally. Winogrand took his M4s and went on a creative tear with them; therefore, this particular M4 is now considered worth a mint. Thankfully, his widow decided to sell his M4 to someone who would actually continue to use it, presumably for a good deal less than she could have gotten for it elsewhere. Better to buy an anonymous Leica (or shootin' iron of your choosing), and bring your own emotional weight to it, and through it.


- Barrett
 
If you don't get that camera I'm going to come all the way to CA just to smack some sense into you! It's beautiful! It's black! It's a Leica! Go for it!

That's an awful lot of exclamation marks! I guess I got a little carried away!
 
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