jmooney
Guy with a camera
Olympus is probably the most likely to fill the niche. 18mm/2, I'd switch in a heartbeat. Paired up with a E420 sized body? That would be very awesome.
kuzano
Veteran
Absolutely messed up with the crop factor....
Absolutely messed up with the crop factor....
So, I went back to my full frame Canon T90. Great dynamic range, good high ISO results, Excellent focusing capabilities with the split image FD lens. Results are better than most of the other FF and Crop factor camera's I have used.
When and if I do shoot digital again, it will be with my Olympus E1 or Panasonic L1, since multiplying by 2 for the crop result is so much easier, not to mention a stable full of OM Zuiko Legacy lenses that pretty much focus the same way as my Canon FD lenses.
Oh, and a wide range of film speeds and emulsions to choose from. Processing time, nearly the same as driving home and downloading digital and then processing the RAW formats. The T90 ONLY shoots RAW.
Also more keepers, since the pennies per frame cost makes me more careful about shots taken.
Yes, absolutely. .... The return to Full Frame has been refreshing.
Absolutely messed up with the crop factor....
So, I went back to my full frame Canon T90. Great dynamic range, good high ISO results, Excellent focusing capabilities with the split image FD lens. Results are better than most of the other FF and Crop factor camera's I have used.
When and if I do shoot digital again, it will be with my Olympus E1 or Panasonic L1, since multiplying by 2 for the crop result is so much easier, not to mention a stable full of OM Zuiko Legacy lenses that pretty much focus the same way as my Canon FD lenses.
Oh, and a wide range of film speeds and emulsions to choose from. Processing time, nearly the same as driving home and downloading digital and then processing the RAW formats. The T90 ONLY shoots RAW.
Also more keepers, since the pennies per frame cost makes me more careful about shots taken.
Yes, absolutely. .... The return to Full Frame has been refreshing.
jmooney
Guy with a camera
venchka
Veteran
This may be redundant:
3rd party folks, Sigma maybe?, make fast 20mm and fast 30mm lenses.
3rd party folks, Sigma maybe?, make fast 20mm and fast 30mm lenses.
Ronald M
Veteran
Nikon recently introduced 35 1.8 for crop sensor at $200 US. The first production run sold off in weeks and everbody is out of stock.
I used a 24 2.8 on crop sensor with a shade for a 50 full frame. That kept the size way down and shaded it way better than the standard shade.
I used a 24 2.8 on crop sensor with a shade for a 50 full frame. That kept the size way down and shaded it way better than the standard shade.
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
kuzano, I have the grandchild of your T90, a beat-up but fully working EOS 1N that I got for cheap at a camera show. I also installed the EC-B split-focusing screen on it. Now I'm having a blast with manual adapter and lenses, newest kid in the block, the Elmarit-R 35/2.8
As for digital, since you like Oly, consider the E-620. It's cool.
kuzano
Veteran
kuzano, I have the grandchild of your T90, a beat-up but fully working EOS 1N that I got for cheap at a camera show. I also installed the EC-B split-focusing screen on it. Now I'm having a blast with manual adapter and lenses, newest kid in the block, the Elmarit-R 35/2.8
As for digital, since you like Oly, consider the E-620. It's cool.
I did not move up to the EOS because I had a stable of FD lenses from previous Canons, Black Beauty EF, A1, F1.
The T90 allowed me to use those lenses, plus the intro to the EOS styling and some of the more advanced EOS focus and exposure modes. The T90 was a magnificent crossover camera for owners of FD glass (great glass even today).
Now along comes the added bonus... the adaptor that allows the use of the FD glass on Four Thirds mount. So, again my Oly E1 and Pana L1 enjoy new life for the FD mount lenses. I have the KatzEye split focus screen in the L1.
I am aware of the 620, but must wait another couple of weeks to see what Oly does with the Micro 4/3rds. I can't wait to adapt my 200mm Canon lens to a PEN size micro 4/3rds camera... fortunately, the tripod mount is on the lens.
kuzano
Veteran
Those who rant about Olympus and 4/3rds....
Those who rant about Olympus and 4/3rds....
Those people are truly not watching Olympus and Panasonic, and in particular the lens maps for both. Oly is blazing trails in lens areas. Perhaps not fast enough for some, but seem to be listening to the market moreso than other manufacturers.
Those who rant about Olympus and 4/3rds....
Those people are truly not watching Olympus and Panasonic, and in particular the lens maps for both. Oly is blazing trails in lens areas. Perhaps not fast enough for some, but seem to be listening to the market moreso than other manufacturers.
kitacontax
Member
Many answers similar to what OP got on PoTN...
I didn't ever think you were an old fogie...especially when you thought AF was a significant feature for a 35mm lens...with so much DoF in the wide angle lens AF would seem superfluous, especially to us old fogies who learned how to focus manually, and how to use DoF scales on the lens so we wouldn't have to focus at all...
I never liked my 35/2 or 24/2.8 Nikkors...I thought them soft...but back in the days of pulling negs through the yellowpages lens IQ wasn't as important as getting images into the negative carriage 5 minutes earlier to beat the competition...which didn't help image quality...those lenses got shots the older 2.8/3.5 lenses couldn't get...even in D76@70 degrees for 10 minutes...the hot ASA 2000 formula...
I didn't ever think you were an old fogie...especially when you thought AF was a significant feature for a 35mm lens...with so much DoF in the wide angle lens AF would seem superfluous, especially to us old fogies who learned how to focus manually, and how to use DoF scales on the lens so we wouldn't have to focus at all...
I never liked my 35/2 or 24/2.8 Nikkors...I thought them soft...but back in the days of pulling negs through the yellowpages lens IQ wasn't as important as getting images into the negative carriage 5 minutes earlier to beat the competition...which didn't help image quality...those lenses got shots the older 2.8/3.5 lenses couldn't get...even in D76@70 degrees for 10 minutes...the hot ASA 2000 formula...
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wlewisiii
Guest
Bingo.
Stop trying to pretend that digital is able to do this. It can't yet & it's hard to say how long until it can.
I'm not anti-digital but for the things you're trying to do, you (the OP) want a full frame film camera. Get a nice manual focus 35/2 from some major company, the SLR it was made for & be happy. Sometimes it really is that simple...
William
jmooney
Guy with a camera
You are right William, I think that's what I'm going to do.
I'm not anti-digital either (I think I may be going in that direction though) it's a fact I can't get away from and does have some advantages. I'm shooting my daughter's rehearsal for her first dance recital tonight and I'll be able to chimp and know I got it. Right now that's the only advantage I see.
That said - I HATE POST PROCESSING IN A COMPUTER. There I said it.
Hmmmm......I think I'll throw in an Elan IIe body and roll of color and see what I like better.
jmooney
Guy with a camera
I was kind of disappointed by some of the responses I got there, but they are typical of what I've run into on Canon-centric, digi-centric forums. If it's not a Pro body and they aren't L lenses then you aren't doing it right.
That's mighty expensive kool-aid.
I'm not saying that goes for everyone, just the trend I see.
cmedin
Well-known
They are going for small size with the DA Limiteds though, and are sacrificing speed. The 21 is sweet, but fast it ain't.
Sigma does have the 24/1.8 as well as the 28/1.8 and 30/1.4. Have only owned the 30, which was a fantastic lens on a Pentax K20D.
These days I get wide by using a FF body, which did cost a little more but made things a lot more convenient.
Kent
Finally at home...
If you need a "normal" lens (~50mm) on a crop cam, you could go for the Sigma 1.4/30, the Nikkor 1.8/35 or the Canon EF 2/35.
If you want a kind of "35mm" lens for your APS-DSLR, your best choise will be the Sigma 1.8/24. I've got it and I LOVE IT!!
If you want a kind of "35mm" lens for your APS-DSLR, your best choise will be the Sigma 1.8/24. I've got it and I LOVE IT!!
Pentax has little mention here, but there's the 24mm f2 AL FA, sizable but not huge, and this is my "one lens" solution for my dSLR. Wonderful lens, thought certainly not a $200-$300 solution either.
For the M8, of course there's the 24mm F1.4 Summilux, also somewhat north of $2-300, that is a 32mm equivalent. I favor the 28 Summicron that's around 37mm equivalent, and I think that's about perfect for one lens carry. It is compact, fast, and optically unbeatable.
For the M8, of course there's the 24mm F1.4 Summilux, also somewhat north of $2-300, that is a 32mm equivalent. I favor the 28 Summicron that's around 37mm equivalent, and I think that's about perfect for one lens carry. It is compact, fast, and optically unbeatable.
dfoo
Well-known
Reading over the POTN discussion, it seems quite reasonable to me... most users of crop cameras don't want, or wouldn't pay for, a 24mm fast prime lens.
Graham Line
Well-known
I must be missing something. An MF 20/3.5 and a 24/2.8 get me into the wide-angle ballpark on a D300, and the improved higher ISO performance makes the speed less of an issue. There are wide primes in most maker's AF lineups. Arguing for full-frame now is like the rollfilm-35mm debate of a half-century ago. Things move on.
dfoo
Well-known
^ I would. Works well with film bodies also.
Not if its EF-S mount (like that new Nikon lens).
dfoo
Well-known
Yes, you are missing something. The poster is asking for a inexpensive 35mm equivalent prime on a 1.5/1.6 crop camera.
pvdhaar
Peter
I doubt that's going to happen..
In the Nikon full frame realm, the 35/2 is about 2.5x times more expensive than the 50/1.8. By the same logic, for DX, a 24/2 would be about 2.5x more expensive than the 35/1.8.. in other words it'd be in the 500-600 range.