John Thawley
Newbie
M9.
After a few months of getting to know eachother, you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner. Call it Kool-Aid, call it "all in your head," ... call it whatever you want, there's something about making photos with a Leica that just feels right.
Regarding high ISO, professionally I shoot with Canon DSLRs and find I can hand hold my Leica at far lower shutter speeds than the Canon gear. Being able to hold a 50mm f/2 @ 1/15 sec. on the M9 makes it pretty competitive in low light.
After a few months of getting to know eachother, you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner. Call it Kool-Aid, call it "all in your head," ... call it whatever you want, there's something about making photos with a Leica that just feels right.
Regarding high ISO, professionally I shoot with Canon DSLRs and find I can hand hold my Leica at far lower shutter speeds than the Canon gear. Being able to hold a 50mm f/2 @ 1/15 sec. on the M9 makes it pretty competitive in low light.
bwcolor
Veteran
Since the Sony is one of the few cameras on earth which can shoot any 35mm lens ever made, why on earth would you restrict yourself to only native glass?
otherwise, very nice post![]()
I'll be impressed if my two 35mm Zeiss Biogons shine on the A7r. I don't expect that my 21mm f/4.5c will work.
umcelinho
Marcelo
i would (and probably will) go for an used M9. I find the read LCD screed dreadful, and 1600 on it is just useable on low light, BUT for normal lenses especially I prefer using manual focus and a rangefinder. On film and on my R-D1s I usually have iso 800 as the top iso speed I would use, and am used to that, never made me lose a shot. So even shooting @ 800 on the M9 would be fine for me already.
I've picked up recently an X-E1 with 14 and 35 lenses, tried using an adapter for M lenses but the AF native lenses work just so much better, even with focus peaking, the magnification etc. I think for normal lenses the M9 would be a better choice.
My idea is to have a X-E1+14/35 and M9+35/50 setup, the whole thing fits in a Hadley Small and it is not heavy. This way I can either use the X-E1 with both native lenses as a complete setup, or use the X-E1 and the 14 as an ultrawide, pairing with the M9+50, or just go out with the M9 and a 35.
I've picked up recently an X-E1 with 14 and 35 lenses, tried using an adapter for M lenses but the AF native lenses work just so much better, even with focus peaking, the magnification etc. I think for normal lenses the M9 would be a better choice.
My idea is to have a X-E1+14/35 and M9+35/50 setup, the whole thing fits in a Hadley Small and it is not heavy. This way I can either use the X-E1 with both native lenses as a complete setup, or use the X-E1 and the 14 as an ultrawide, pairing with the M9+50, or just go out with the M9 and a 35.
hitmanh
dum de dum de doo
I'm interested in the Sony, full frame in a reasonably sized body that will work with my current lens line-up would be a great package. Add in the video capabilities for a bonus.
I would like a proper mechanical rangefinder system, but I'm simply not willing to pay the Leica tax to get it.
hmh
I would like a proper mechanical rangefinder system, but I'm simply not willing to pay the Leica tax to get it.
hmh
I think the post-euphoria reality may be quite different than what some people here and there are predicting. The value of the M9, for those that really appreciate the whole experience of the RF, may well be consolidated by what the Sony can't do.
I agree completely...especially after trying the A7. I'd take a M9 any day over it.
uhoh7
Veteran
willie_901
Veteran
If my work depended on using ISO > 640, I would buy the SONY.
If I owned a stable of M/LTM lenses, I would buy the Leica.
If I owned a stable of M/LTM lenses, I would buy the Leica.
raid
Dad Photographer
I agree with willie. Still, it would be nice to also have the M9 when you need high ISO images.
regularchickens
Well-known
A year-plus of using a NEX-7 has cured me of my digital rangefinder lust. I really like focus peaking and seeing my sensor's output in realtime. After trying the A7 at PhotoPlus, I will gladly buy one. I have a 50 Hex that I'm itching to use on it.
L Collins
Well-known
The A7 is the first digital camera that's excited me since the M8.
seriously, why would anyone buy an M9 when for half the price you can have a full frame 36 mp D800E sensor with stunning low light capabilities in a small, discrete camera that accepts M mount lenses and also Zeiss AF lenses if you care to go that route?
In my opinion, this is the dictionary definition of a "no brainer."
seriously, why would anyone buy an M9 when for half the price you can have a full frame 36 mp D800E sensor with stunning low light capabilities in a small, discrete camera that accepts M mount lenses and also Zeiss AF lenses if you care to go that route?
In my opinion, this is the dictionary definition of a "no brainer."
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Recently I read the wonderful definition of "no brainer" as "I have no brain". On that definition, I'm sure you're right. As for which camera I'd choose, well, I already have an M9 but I think I'd choose an M9 over an A7. As I've not tried the A7 I'll reserve judgement.The A7 is the first digital camera that's excited me since the M8.
seriously, why would anyone buy an M9 when for half the price you can have a full frame 36 mp D800E sensor with stunning low light capabilities in a small, discrete camera that accepts M mount lenses and also Zeiss AF lenses if you care to go that route?
In my opinion, this is the dictionary definition of a "no brainer."
Cheers,
R.
FrozenInTime
Well-known
The crop factor on APS-C 'RF substitutes' and the slowdown of accurate manual focusing : zoom,peak focus, un-zoom and recompose, was the tipping point the made me buy Leica M over that last couple of years.
The crop factor is addressed, but do the new high resolution EVFs address the latter ?
The crop factor is addressed, but do the new high resolution EVFs address the latter ?
santela
Established
Good question.
I got both. The M9 for general street shooting, and the A7 for the night and close-ups.
So my answer is: both.
I got both. The M9 for general street shooting, and the A7 for the night and close-ups.
So my answer is: both.
Snowbuzz
Well-known
I know it's still early days yet but, thus far, I haven't really been too 'knocked out' by the online pictures produced by the Sony. Or any Sony. For that matter, I don't really like how Nikon D800 images look either. On the other hand, I love how M9 images look (and that Sigma Merrill thingy). So, until further notice: M9.
froyd
Veteran
M9 for me, but the a7 is pretty intriguing, especially for the money. Still, I'd rather save for twice as long and get the right camera for me (or what I'm assuming to be he right camera for me since I only ever used film Ms).
kxl
Social Documentary
At this time, I've decided to hold off on buying either one, especially after having recently purchased a D800E. For now, I can satiate my RF hunger with my ZI and my digital needs with my new DSLR.
raid
Dad Photographer
No question here ...
The M9 is a great camera with a RF.
The M and ltm lenses fit perfectly.
The sensor is superb.
It is a genuine Leica.
It is German.
It is luxury.
It is light years ahead of any Sony.
He he he
The M9 is a great camera with a RF.
The M and ltm lenses fit perfectly.
The sensor is superb.
It is a genuine Leica.
It is German.
It is luxury.
It is light years ahead of any Sony.
He he he
Frank Petronio
Well-known
Geez I wouldn't buy either because they are still too expensive for what they do. I think you guys just dream up excuses to buy cameras....
raid
Dad Photographer
Geez I wouldn't buy either because they are still too expensive for what they do. I think you guys just dream up excuses to buy cameras....
Frank,
Do you mean you did not this fact?!
Geez I wouldn't buy either because they are still too expensive for what they do. I think you guys just dream up excuses to buy cameras....
I have to agree with Frank here. The M9 is outdated (though still a nice object and useful camera) for the price. The A7 was not my thing at all. Sony stuff is too fiddly with P&S style buttons and dials.
Now, ask me this question in a few years when both are a lot cheaper, and my answer may be different.
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