X Pro 1 vs RD 1

[dan denmark]

well, i know it's apples and orangutans but i love my RD1S. however the X Pro 1 is a huge jump up in Megapixels. and, as i understand it i will be able to use my M and L mount lenses with an adapter? sounds a pretty good deal here. anyone know much about the adapter? all manual, i presume... of course...

very interested in this machine... dj in Oz...

oh, i've not read much about it, will do when i get the time (writing a book atm, keeps me occupied) but what is the ratio of focal length to sensor... is it full frame? no, i suppose not...

 

[gavinlg]

Get the r-d1 if you want to use M mount lenses. Get the x-pro1 if you want autofocus and to use its native lenses. The r-d1 is rangefinder coupled and has no problems with soft corners with wide m mount glass. The x-pro1 is AF only with secondary cobbled MF, and has issues with wide angle M mount glass.

 

[willie_901]

I agree with Galvinig.

I don't know of a fast way to focus M/LTM lenses with the XP1. You have to either use zone coursing or the EVF. The EVF has. Digital zoom mode that is useful for fine focus adjustment. But this in not very fast. The optical design of some M lenses is not compatible with the ultra-short distance between the sensor and the lens rear element. This is is used in a recent Luminous Landscape article.

 

[boiu]

I actually have both cameras on hand, but I must say that I have solely been using the X-Pro1 since I got it. When I first tried out the X-Pro1, I thought the EVF would be a big problem and deter me from using my M-Mount lenses on it via adapter (as opposed to the viewfinder of the rd1s), but in reality I find that it doesn't hinder me from taking photos. Like willie mentioned above, the digital zoom is useful, and at first I was really slow with it, but I think I've learned to use it over time. For the times I really needed spot on focusing, being fast with the digital zoom was a non-issue in my opinion.

 

[huntjump]

^^When you get new equipment, you tend to want to use it more (if not exclusively) because lets face it, we love new toys. Now, if the toy didn't work very well, you'd probably get rid of it.

So in my opinion that says, the x-pro 1 is a damn good camera, no doubt about it. The question is, what do you want Dan? You want a true RF, that natively takes M mount lenses, and prefer manual focus? The answer is clear, as said above. If you can afford to, get the X-pro1 before you sell anything (or try renting).

 

[dan denmark]

thanks gentlemen... in answer, Mr HuntJump, i generally use prefocusing with DOF on the wider M mount lenses on my RD1S, which i really, really, really love. the reason i want to go to the Xpro1 is for the additional pixels and therefore detail. i have seven M mount CV lenses, from 15-90mm, and use pretty much all of them except the 90, although a good lens.

i also have a couple of M3 film cameras and Bessa R series bodies. i do shoot a bit of film but yes, the digital world is a reality. now i want the Xpro1 as a field camera when i travel. i have nikon dslr monsters for studio work i still do.

but bottom line is, i just want a bit more crispness, mainly with the 21, 28, 35 and 40 CV lenses. i plan my shots so focus time isn't an ssue for me. i'm off to western australia in a few weeks for a couple of weeks north of perth so i thought this would be good for that trip.

thanks again, and any info is welcome. i still have a few days before i get the camera in melbourne...

cheese,

dd

 

[GaryLH]

Have u also considered the Ricoh gxr with the a12 m module? Micro lenses are designed specifically to handle rf lenses. There is a rumor that Ricoh is going to update their 12mp module to 16mp. They already announced a 16mp apsc zoom lens this year. For native m mount lenses right now the safe bet is your rd1 or the Ricoh.

Fuji just started to ship out their m mount adapter.. The adapter has been designed to work with their new fw which will allow various corrections, but until more people get a hold of it, the jury is out in terms of how good it is.

I have the xp1 and the Ricoh. I have used Canon ltm, cv, and Leica lenses with the Ricoh and the xp1. I have all three of Fuji's af lenses. The 35 f1.4 is the best.

I have a cheap m adapter for the xp1. Not all these cheap m adapters u c will focus infinity at the correct inf mark... Most hit inf a little before The one i bought, i lucked out 😛

The Ricoh does better with the super wides like the 15 IMO. The magnification assist on the xp1 is too much for lenses over 50. By 135 the minor handshake can make u dizzy.

If u end up buying the xp1.... The Fuji native lenses will end up the best as opposed to using RF lenses. If possible get their accessary grip, it helps a lot. Get at least one extra battery, only around 270 to 300 shots per charge. Make sure u enable the paralex correction for the ovf. Anything shorter than about 2feet, go to macro mode. Af sometimes has a hard time with horizontal lines as light gets dimmer...

The xp1 takes time to get used to, but once u do, u will be rewarded. The Fuji lens roadmap is really good..

Good luck
Gary

 

[dan denmark]

excellent, gary! thanks... more homework... and yes, would be nice to see some images from the xpro1 with the M adaptor, esp at, say, 21 or so...

cheers.

dd

 

[Kawabatnam]

Get the r-d1 if you want to use M mount lenses. Get the x-pro1 if you want autofocus and to use its native lenses. The r-d1 is rangefinder coupled and has no problems with soft corners with wide m mount glass. The x-pro1 is AF only with secondary cobbled MF, and has issues with wide angle M mount glass.

I believe another factor is the size you print -if you even print- and the possibility -or not- of cropping. For screen viewing/internet sharing, any camera will do (we are not in a digital age for nothing!). With the R-D1(s), depending on the subject matter I can achieve nice prints even at A3 size (about 30x42 cm) with careful upsizing -however no cropping allowed, there's no extra pixel to waste... You have to get it right in the first place.
The R-D1 has its limitations however I can't think of another camera that balances so well the analog-mechanical and the digital facets of contemporary photography (if only the Ricoh GXR had an optical viewfinder...).
(about autofocusing: A friend of mine has the Fuji xpro1, surprisingly -or not?- half of the time I focus about as fast in good light, and I am almost always faster -and more accurate!- in dim light).