X-Pro 2: any news?

bobbyrab said:
Compared to what though? are the equivalent size cameras from Sony, Olympus or whoever that much better in the AF department?
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Well, for those of us that rely on fast AF, yes, Sony and Olympus have been faster than Fuji for the most part. We don't all photograph the same way, so I'm not sure why people get offended over something that doesn't matter to them...but might for someone else.
 
Looks to me they have taken the x-pro1 and just made it better in literally every way possible. I love that they moved the buttons on the back to the right hand side so it can have true one handed operation. ACROS film sim looks incredible. Hope this comes out for my x100t. ISO dial operation is perfect. New menus look fantastic. AF is reputed to be a bit faster again than the X-t1.

All in all a pretty superb looking evolution. SO glad they kept the body the same size and style as the 1. Perfect size and weight for me personally.
 
jsrockit said:
Well, for those of us that rely on fast AF, yes, Sony and Olympus have been faster than Fuji for the most part. We don't all photograph the same way, so I'm not sure why people get offended over something that doesn't matter to them...but might for someone else.
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Do you think I was offended? Just in case you did I wasn't at all.
It's me being too lazy really to read up on what other makers similar cameras perform, I find all the facts and figures of the multitude of digital cameras so very mind numbing I really don't read up on anything other than what I might possibly use, and as you say, what my list of priorities are, so for me, being able to visually check focus is accurate is far more important than speed really, a favourite Canon lens of mine is the 85 1.2, it's slow but accurate and doesn't tend to lose focus once it eventually get's there.
 
bobbyrab said:
Compared to what though? are the equivalent size cameras from Sony, Olympus or whoever that much better in the AF department?
Obviously it won't compete with a top DSLR but then it's not why you'd buy one in the first place. Personally I'm far more interested in it's sensors image quality, particularly it's colour output, I like my Xpro 1, but the colour's have never quite been as good as the original X100, if they have made improvements there I'll be delighted, I'm pretty sure I'll buy one at some point especially if the EVF is convincing.
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I don't think they are talking about DSLRs, so it would be the A6000, etc. Probably also compared to the X100T, which likely focuses faster than the X-Pro2, since it has a tiny, lightweight lens with little moving weight.

I thought for a hot minute about using this as a platform for legacy glass, since it has the corner-tab split-image that is very rangefinder-like (which I love on my X100T). But without a distance encoder in the Leica M adapter (completely possible... if not also a 6-bit reader), the framelines would never quite be right in optical mode.

In all, this is an underwhelming announcement - a second SD slot is not a huge selling point; 24mp is pretty run of the mill in 2016; and the video (which is not 4K) doesn't sound like it would supplant a NEX series camera. No BSI, no organic, nothing special - just another Sony DSLR sensor with a CFI pattern that chokes Lightroom. Everything on this camera has already been on the market for a while. Aside from the resolution, it makes the X100T (or I'm sure its 24mp replacement) look like a great choice. At least my X100T has a button setup identical to my Leicas'. With the X-Pro2, we're on to Fuji's next completely inconsistent layout.

I agree with jsrockit that this would have been welcome 2 years ago. And Fuji's history with pricing and dumping makes people like me very circumspect about starting up a new Fuji system. Of course, this may be a more compelling proposition when it goes on perpetual sale in 6 months.

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snazzy new tech isn't the only reason to get whelmed by a new camera, thought. putting run of the mill current tech and some other refinements is fine by me, since the x-pro1 didn't get it right for all the things that bave been improved in the x-pro2! i'm still going to wait for the price reductions, though. :D
 
aizan said:
snazzy new tech isn't the only reason to get whelmed by a new camera, thought. putting run of the mill current tech and some other refinements is fine by me, since the x-pro1 didn't get it right for all the things that bave been improved in the x-pro2! i'm still going to wait for the price reductions, though. :D
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But you may not have waited if the tech was snazzier... ;)
 
This looks perfect, and I'll probably get one used next year. I'm very glad they've decided to maintain the X-Pro line, though I agree this would have been quite a marvel two years ago.
 
My thoughts on not so IQ/functionality oriented aspects of X-Pro2.

Usually not a big fan of any in-camera filters and effects, but I must say I like what they did with the grain effect as well as their new film simulations. Since they ARE the manufacturer of those films, I guess, in a way, they are the only one digital camera maker who could really say "hey it's a legit film simulation." They don't keep "Film" in their name for nothing. ;)

It is interesting to see that Fuji really went for a serious, hardcore enthusiast oriented execution with X-Pro2 while X-E2s and X70 had a bit more mass-market friendly details (though still more enthusiast oriented compared to many other cameras in the market).

X-Pro2: no "WiFi" or video oriented labeling on camera. No Auto button, no selfie screen.
X70 and/or X-E2s: Wifi button on top panel, Auto button, selfie friendly screen on X70.
 
Dante_Stella said:
Pointless. Fuji is a niche player with a tiny market share, and it's not a stretch to say that Leica sells more Ms than Fuji sells mirrorless bodies.
Dante
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Speculation is one thing, facts another.
Do you have any hard figures to back up this up?
Old stats from the times before Leica took itself private to keep stats private don't do it for me.

Stephen
 
CameraQuest said:
Speculation is one thing, facts another.
Do you have any hard figures to back up this up?
Old stats from the times before Leica took itself private to keep stats private don't do it for me.

Stephen
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This an interesting conceptual exercise. Now, I think Flickr is more or less a brand-neutral place (as far as Fuji and Leica are concerned). We can also probably assume that in aggregate, photographers shoot and post at similar rates. Neither brands are known for machine-gun sports bodies either. So how many images have been posted by users of Fuji X ILC bodies?

XT1: 7,148,815
XE1: 6,129,690
X100S: 5,782,477
XE2: 3,611,200
XPRO1: 3,351,323
XM1: 2,644,163
X100T: 1,601,313

Now I understand that there are more X bodies than the ones I listed above. I also understand that Flickr is very much US-centric and that Fujifilm may have a larger market share in Asia. Nonetheless, we estimate that the total number of images uploaded to Flickr by X ILC bodies to be in the 30 million range, and likely a bit higher because of the other X bodies (and people who remove EXIF). We'll call it 35 million.

So what's the equivalent for Leica?

M: 1,465,355
M9: 3,467,686
M8: 2,259,445
MM: 281,236

We'll add the X and Q systems for fairness:

Q: 183,620
X1: 1,044,399
X2: 494,020

The other models, as well as the S and T system do not register on the camera finder tool. The total comes out to be ~8 million. Therefore, according to Flickr, there are about 4.4 times as many Fuji ILC users as there are Leica users. We can argue that both numbers are under-estimated (Leica users don't care about Flickr, etc.), but I think this estimate is at least on the right order of magnitude.

For a second perspective, we can look at 500px:

There are 98,967 photos tagged with "Fujifilm". A certain proportion of them will be shot with real film, but this number is likely not significant. A much larger proportion will be from Fuji point & shoots. Although since this is 500px we are talking about, we can speculate that people are using nicer cameras on average.

There are a total of 18,144 photos tagged with some combination of "Leica M8","Leica M9","M monochrom",'M240','Leica S' and 'Leica Q'. This comes to a ration of Fuji to Leica of 5.5 - somewhat close to the Flickr estimate!

For a third estimate, I repeated this exercise for Tuchong.com, which is basically Flickr for China. Comes out to 5.9x in favor of Fuji.

I think it's not unreasonable to conclude that 1. Fuji does sell many more X cameras than Leica sells Ms, and also many more than the total number of German-made bodies sold by Leica 2. The ratio of Fuji ILCs to Leica German bodies is in the 4:1 to 6:1 range, perhaps a bit higher in Asia.

For a final comparison, there are more than 100 million photos on Flickr tagged with "5D mk3" alone...so yes, both Fuji and Leica have tiny, tiny markets compared to the likes of Canon and Nikon.

And yes, it's a slow afternoon :D

Edit: it occurred to me that a possibly better metric is used camera sales on eBay. But high-value items are resold less...so there is also bias involved.
 
Nice analysis Victor (YYV_146). There is probably a larger population of actually shooters out there in the Fuji posters vs the Leica. I wonder how these numbers would shift if u could find out the number of Leica collectors...that never take any pictures.

Gary
 
In a nutshell -


24.3MP APS-C X-Trans CMOS III Sensor
X-Processor Pro Engine
Advanced Hybrid Multi Viewfinder
3.0" 1.62m-Dot LCD Monitor
Full HD 1080p Video Recording at 60 fps
Built-In Wi-Fi, SHARE Printer Compatible
273-Point AF with 77 Phase-Detect Points
Up to 8 fps Shooting and ISO 51200
Weather-Sealed Design, 2x SD Card Slots
Film Simulation and Grain Effect Modes
 
Though I don't intend to get either the xp2 or x70 anytime in the near future, after looking at what was released, I personally think they did a good job... The only announcement I'm disappointed in is the x2s. I would have hoped some improvement in the digital path hw as opposed to cosmetic changes.

Gary
 
GaryLH said:
Nice analysis Victor (YYV_146). There is probably a larger population of actually shooters out there in the Fuji posters vs the Leica. I wonder how these numbers would shift if u could find out the number of Leica collectors...that never take any pictures.

Gary
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Would be quite weird to collect digital bodies, though. The M6 and MP iterations and early BP bodies are much more sought after.

Interestingly, the numbers suggest that there are nearly as many X-pro1 users out there as there are M9 users...which, when you think about it, actually sort of makes sense.
 
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