GaryLH
Veteran
http://www.fujirumors.com/it-will-c...focus-peaking-live-blogging-tomorrow-6am-gmt/
Focus peaking and 20% faster af are some items on list. Unless they improve manual focusing performance, not sure about the focus peaking feature. The 20% faster af is welcome.
The other part of the rumor is the announcement of the 23.
Gary
Focus peaking and 20% faster af are some items on list. Unless they improve manual focusing performance, not sure about the focus peaking feature. The 20% faster af is welcome.
The other part of the rumor is the announcement of the 23.
Gary
FA Limited
missing in action
i don't know why but i find this hilarious
i'm excited to try new firmware but i'm always worried if they broke something else like fuji has been known to do
i'm excited to try new firmware but i'm always worried if they broke something else like fuji has been known to do
FA Limited
missing in action
some more information is out:
http://www.fujirumors.com/fuji-x100-firmware-available-september-10-focus-numerique/
faster focus, reduction in MFD in non-macro mode, focus peaking and more responsive? Sept 10 release date
what i want to see is them explicitly say better focus accuracy, still have issues sometimes nailing focus with fuji cameras
http://www.fujirumors.com/fuji-x100-firmware-available-september-10-focus-numerique/
faster focus, reduction in MFD in non-macro mode, focus peaking and more responsive? Sept 10 release date
what i want to see is them explicitly say better focus accuracy, still have issues sometimes nailing focus with fuji cameras
alienmeatsack
Well-known
I'm curious if this firmware will make the x100 more popular again over the x100s because it fixes or alleviates some of the issues people have with one over the other.
The x100 has just started to reach a price point that it looks tempting to me to try and with some fixes it could make it that much more tempting.
The x100 has just started to reach a price point that it looks tempting to me to try and with some fixes it could make it that much more tempting.
f16sunshine
Moderator
The x100"classic" has a look that's for sure.
The blues hues from this camera are very pleasing for my eye.
Plus the smaller file size is handy sometimes.
Would I rather an x100s… yes
One of many.
redisburning
Well-known
honest question why didn't they just spend twice as much time on the AF in pre-production?
to make the same hardware do something legitimately 20% better you either have to fix something you did quite wrong or you have to make compromises in other areas.
to make the same hardware do something legitimately 20% better you either have to fix something you did quite wrong or you have to make compromises in other areas.
bwcolor
Veteran
Like many digital products, a camera manufacturer that misses the window of opportunity introduces outdated product. Camera introduction is driven by the market. The development cycle is brutally short. Of course, all of this is old news.
GaryLH
Veteran
Actually a very good question. I have worked in the embedded sw industry for over 30 years. None of it having to do w/ the camera industry though.
As bwcolor mentioned there is that so called market window, which IMHO is only valid to,a certain point. Bringing a product to market toooo early w/ toooo many problems IMHO is more damaging to the long term success of that product. But it takes extremely strong leadership to balance that line. Steve Jobs is a rarely example of leadership that understands this. A current example, the Samsung smart watch is designed to work w/ only one of their smart phones and it is not even their flagship smartphone. No info on a fw update map to support their smart watch w/ the older phones. (Btw absolutely not interested in a smart watch - just interesting reading for the geek in me)..
In general sw developers depend on product test and outside beta tester to help wring out their product the last bugs (last 5 percent or less) but no matter how good the testing.. Some always seem to get thru. Consumer grade vs enterprise vs federal vs aviation grade have different levels of what can be fixed later or no plan to fix. A good product line management (plm) will have a road map of which bugs, what priority and what resources and money to assign to this work vs money to be allocated to future product work.
I suspect the af focus issues may have been deemed by plm as to fix later. I think one of the problems initially for this product was that plm may not have realized unlike te typical p&s crowd, the serious amateur and/professional that picked the x100 would be critical of the af speed.. Plus even the amateurs that had been used to the af speed of dslrs were disappointed w/ the af speed.. They may have been alright w/ the af speed of the typical p&s, but this camera did not invoke a p&s ethos, so much higher were the expectations. So, IMHO, I am inclined to think that plm's misjudged the market on this point. I remember reading an interview done w/ lead plm for Fuji x100, where he mentioned that the x100 sales far exceeded their goals.
The x100s on the other hand, was the plm's understanding of what was needed. The fw updates coming are another.
In my mind Fuji has done more to keep an old product going w/ fw updates then any other camera company that I am aware of.
Gary
Tijmendal
Young photog
That's exactly what I was thinking. Second-hand they're in the sub 500€ range right now. The better AF makes it really something I want in that camera.
redisburning
Well-known
Gary, thanks for the answer.
So you think this was a fix later? Yeah, I've seen that a few too many times first hand. It's a ****y thing to do to your customers though.
I'll tell you this though, I can do something 20% faster by introducing some additional errors without much effort. AF systems have always had a good deal of slop because it has been historically true that a very slightly OoF picture is nbd compared to a missed shot. Of course C/N/S in their pro bodies have been coming back on that given how high the MP counts are these days.
ps the only thing I take issue with is this line. It's easy to find the time to get stuff out in good shape when your replace R&D with IP theft. Mitsu, Hitachi and Xerox did a LOT of Apple's beta testing for them lol.
FA Limited
missing in action
The x100"classic" has a look that's for sure.
The blues hues from this camera are very pleasing for my eye.
Plus the smaller file size is handy sometimes.
Would I rather an x100s… yes
i would think if someone wanted an X100 by now they would have bought one already. the camera has depreciated more than 50% in one year which is pretty crazy. it's already a great deal on the used market. the autofocus isn't terrible and it works decently right now (but will still miss).
would i rather have an X100s? i would say no. personally after trying the X-E1 i think i like the old sensor better. i found watercolour even in the JPEGs. and if the X100s meters like the X-E1 it would also be another no as i found the X100 better at that as well.
fuji are very quirky. you really need to do your research. it's not a camera for everyone even as attractive as those classic controls look
danielsterno
making soup from mud
personally as one who has the x100, as someone who likes the IQ of the x100 sensor and no plans on getting the x100s-I am stoked. If the firmware improves the AF which is not horrible but can use help then its outstanding customer commitment….
Takkun
Ian M.
Ditto. I got a screaming deal on mine, and I couldn't part with it. Besides, the money spent upgrading to the S is something I'd much rather spend on film.
GaryLH
Veteran
In terms of ip theft... Xerox was the most prolific inventor.. But also the most inempt when it came to protecting its own rights. Apple was the tip of the iceberg IMHO. We talked about this a lot in the valley back in those days.
Gary
SausalitoDog
Well-known
All that said (and I traded mine away to buy an x100s), you just have to root for a company that continues to address issues with long gone models like the x100.
This was a breakthrough design and the company is earning it's spurs with flat excellent support and care of it's customers.
Go Fuji - keep embarrassing the Nikons, Canons and Leica's of the world !!!
This was a breakthrough design and the company is earning it's spurs with flat excellent support and care of it's customers.
Go Fuji - keep embarrassing the Nikons, Canons and Leica's of the world !!!
I upgraded to the s, so no good for me. Makes the original that much better. I had a good time with that camera and do not use the s as much.
FA Limited
missing in action
how come? it's pretty much the same type of usage and you seem to like the x-trans output
Bob Michaels
nobody special
Maybe I am overly skeptical but the concept of any company spending R&D money for a free upgrade to a model no longer being produced just makes no sense. Especially when improvements in the older model will discourage customers from upgrading to the newer one.
sevres_babylone
Veteran
My recollection is that Ricoh provided firmware updates for the GRD3 after the GRD4 was released. The R&D money has been spent on the newer version, so this is kind of spillover. On the other hand it's appreciated. I read on another forum that Olympus doesn't do this, which is kind of frustrating since some people developed workarounds to get focus peaking, showing Oly could provide it by way of a firmware update to the EM-5, but they haven't.
Also, Epson provided a firmware update for the R-D1 after they released the R-D1s; the update provided most, if not all, f the new features on the R-D1s.
Kudos to Fuji.
The practice may discourage people from upgrading to the new one, if the only advantage of the new one is what can be provided by way of a firmware update, which is rarely the case. On the other hand, it encourages brand loyalty.
Hamfish
Member
This could be what pushes me over into buying a new X100LE.