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What version of Photoshop are you using Stewart?
I'm using Photoshop CS3 on Mac 10.10.2 and it works fine.
Just no updates available which Adobe doesn't support anymore if I remember correctly.
 
OP...dunno. I use LR, at least half-ass anyway. I'm an old film photog. I'm happy with LR. It gives me everything I did in the wet darkroom. It is all I need.
 
You don't even need a second drive in the machine. You can partition your boot drive into as many volumes as you need and keep different generations of OS on each one. (Of course be sure to back up everything before doing a partitioning - everyone keeps backups of their OS drives, right?)

My main photo editing station is a ~2009 iMac on which I froze the OS at 10.6.8 in order to maintain compatibly with CS2... Yes, I'm that far back and it works for when I need PS. Most of what I do is in LR, including HDR, etc. But that was the problem, with newer cameras, I needed newer versions of LR, but those needed newer OSes to work on the iMac. So, I partitioned the drive, installed 10.8, then eventually upgraded it to 10.9 on the LR-use partition. And for the few times I need PS CS2, I go back to 10.6.8. Works well enough for me... I haven't yet seen the need for 10.10.

BTW, not sure if it's still available on Adobe's servers, but a while ago they made CS2 essentially a free download by deactivating their servers required for it to phone home in order to function, IIRC.
 
[ Lots of suggestions to boot the old OS on the new machine… ]

Trouble is the new Macs won't run the older OS software.

If you are really happy with CS3, find yourself a used Mac with the right OS.
 
Sparrow said:
... seems to be Adobe's attitude ... I've just upgraded to OSX 10.10 and my old Photoshop naturally won't work on the new OS

As I'm retired now I can't really justify the ongoing rental cost of the Creative Cloud ... but as a user of photoshop for all these years I don't want the bother of learning something new, I'd be happy with CS4 or 5 if it has some support and will run on Yosemite, so ...

... what can I do? ... do we have an expert in the house?

In hope, Stewart
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Photoshop CS4 runs fine on my iMac with Yosemite 10.10.2; your old PS must be somewhat older than CS4...

FWIW, and attitude aside, I'm not fond of the CC idea and will avoid as long as I can. :)
 
Sparrow said:
It's just the blatant disregard for their customers that annoys me.......
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Welcome to capitalism in the 21st Century.

There's a lot of good to be said about Open Source software.

It should be said that I'm working on a Mac Mini that will only go up to 10.6.8. I've got a new low-end MacMini referb coming this week. It's too old for much but a internet to TV box. Hasn't run TurboTax for two years now.

Capitalism has moved from the belief that the customer are gold to marketing, more must be better, investors (Wall St) is all that matters.

Best idea is spend two weeks and move to Open Source.
Second best idea is a remote boot from a good USB drive.

It's a painful merry-go-round we have invented. Stay away from the cloud, it's a black hole for money with worse than questionable support/customer service.

B2
 
Break The Cycle

Break The Cycle

I've draw a line at CS5 and Mavericks. I don't like Yosemite, and I've found, after having Macs for the last 25 years, that most of the units in the last 10 years pretty much run the same if you put the then current version of Photoshop on the then current OS. I can work with PS 7 on a old G4. If you're happy with the tools you have, I don't think it's worth doing any upgrades. The problem with dropping support is a bigger problem on Mac's than PC's, but I still prefer them.

If you take away the internet from the computer, the performance levels will last a much longer period of time. The web continues to need more and more power to display pages.

You could split your world - fix the Mac for the creative content and basic email and go with tablets for the web. That still doesn't work for everything. I had to have a client text me a photo of a newspaper page that had a press release on it - only way I could see it!
 
benmacphoto said:
What version of Photoshop are you using Stewart?
I'm using Photoshop CS3 on Mac 10.10.2 and it works fine.
Just no updates available which Adobe doesn't support anymore if I remember correctly.
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+1
I'm using CS3 on my 2009 iMac running Yosemite with no problems. Also using Bridge to navigate image folders, as well as open images in ACR 4.6. Everything is working good, and have no plans to subscribe to Adobe's cloud
 
BillBingham2 said:
Stay away from the cloud, it's a black hole for money with worse than questionable support/customer service.
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I'm going to disagree with "black hole for money" when it comes to the cloud.
It's $120 a year for Adobe CC with Lightroom and Photoshop.
Before the cloud it was $600? for a stand alone version of Photoshop.
That's 5 years worth of using the cloud.
And Adobe would come out with a new version every year or every other year.
If you need the latest and greatest version for paid work, the CC is much more affordable for what you get.

Although I'm with you on the questionable support as I am not sold on the security and reliability of it yet.
 
Well, plus. If you don't keep paying, you lose access to files you've edited with it. You're renting your own files, and what happens when you stop paying and they're left on the cloud? Will Adobe assume ownership like flickr does?

I think it's inevitable. After all, what are you going to do about it?

Better find an old copy quick, smart money will be collecting them up.
 
x-ray said:
Sparrow Adobe is only interested in how much $$ they can shake out of our pockets.

I'm still using CS4 and LR5. I made the mistake of updating my OS from 10.6 to 10.8 and my tablet won't work on it and my color profiles for the monitor won't remain stable. They revert back to a generic profile and the color is wrong. I recalibrate and it goes back to a generic. What I did was go back a notch to 10.7. I had to have 10.7 or later for LR5 (new camera not supported by LR4) and couldn't find my upgrade disc for 10.8 so like an iddiot I did the upgrade to 10.8.

What I wound up doing is taking my Mac Pro into the shop and had a second solid state drive put in with 10.7 and that's what I boot from and work with. 10.7 runs all my scanners, tablet and software perfectly. I have no issues with it and will not change / upgrade anytime soon. Upgrading would require upgrading software and tablet which would cost a couple of thousand dollars. No thanks!!!

I'm planning on reformatting my 10.8 drive and putting windows XP on it. I have a virgin copy of xp pro and want to run a couple of apps that aren't available for mac.

Consider taking your machine into a repair shop and having 10.7 put on it. 10.8 and up are dogs from what I've seen and heard. Seems like every time Apple comes with an upgraded OS it causes major headaches.

Question for GIMP users, dopes it support 16 bit files?

Thanks!
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... too late, its a new machine ... and, I'd forgotten about colour management until you mentioned it, I'll have to dig out my notes from last time, I recall it being a bit of a fight

thanks
 
... anyway, I need a new printer first ... no drivers for 10.10 it seems

... so reading this lot it looks like cs4 or 5 is the answer. It sounds as though it needs to be a clean installation, so I'll clear all the accumulated photoshop junk first.

One thing first though .. I can manage with, levels, colour, curves, image-size, canvas-size, clone-or-heal, layers, file-mode, convert-to-profile ... brushes and a few other graphic functions select and line, and such .... do I get those in Elements or Lightroom?
 
Ranchu said:
Well, plus. If you don't keep paying, you lose access to files you've edited with it. You're renting your own files, and what happens when you stop paying and they're left on the cloud? Will Adobe assume ownership like flickr does?

I think it's inevitable. After all, what are you going to do about it?

Better find an old copy quick, smart money will be collecting them up.
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I don't get any of this, I use cc just as I did my standalone versions. I don't store anything on the cloud, not sure why I would want to, what advantage would it bring? Maybe if I worked from different locations, but like most people I don't.
I went this route as it's about the same or less as upgrading PS every second of third release and LR each time, which I always did.
If I did stop my subscription my edited work will be on my hard drives as jpgs or tiffs, how would I lose them?
 
Grab a copy of CS6 off ebay? It is 64bit (at least the windows version is) so should work on the newer macs.

I'm in a similar boat. I've payed outright for CS6 and LR5 (And several previous versions) so why would or should I now go and pay per month to use the same software?
 
bobbyrab said:
If I did stop my subscription my edited work will be on my hard drives as jpgs or tiffs, how would I lose them?
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You would lose anything with layers on it. There are many (most) people who have master copies of their work with all the layers on . They're having their work held for ransom by Adobe right now, even if you're not. It's no accident.

Stewart, as far as I know, elements lacks curves. And also lacks convert to profile, except as a default on open. An old photoshop is a lot more flexible, I think you'd be frustrated by elements.
 
Sparrow said:
... anyway, I need a new printer first ... no drivers for 10.10 it seems

... so reading this lot it looks like cs4 or 5 is the answer. It sounds as though it needs to be a clean installation, so I'll clear all the accumulated photoshop junk first.

One thing first though .. I can manage with, levels, colour, curves, image-size, canvas-size, clone-or-heal, layers, file-mode, convert-to-profile ... brushes and a few other graphic functions select and line, and such .... do I get those in Elements or Lightroom?
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Not sure what you get in elements, but if you do get healing for example, each PS version has been better at implementing this, so it won't be the same thing. Most of your list you can do in LR, but not layering, I don't think canvas size, cloning and healing is limited to fairly basic procedures, not sure about your graphic functions select and line are, but I would say not.
 
xavoy said:
Grab a copy of CS6 off ebay? It is 64bit (at least the windows version is) so should work on the newer macs.

I'm in a similar boat. I've payed outright for CS6 and LR5 (And several previous versions) so why would or should I now go and pay per month to use the same software?
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... yes I was just looking again and I've spotted someone selling it ... that ma well be the best thing

Then just use that until one of us dies ...
 
Ranchu said:
You would lose anything with layers on it. There are many people who have master copies of their work with all the layers on. They're having their work held for ransom by Adobe right now, even if you're not.

Stewart, as far as I know, elements lacks curves. And also lacks convert to profile, except as a default on open. An old photoshop is a lot more flexible, I think you'd be frustrated by elements.
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Well you wouldn't lose the files, you wouldn't be able to work on them without reinstall cc at some point, or work on someone else's machine, but honestly if your the kind of photographer who stores multiple files as PS layer files ( I have to say I don't know any who do for long periods), why would you ditch PS?
Are there any other photo editing programmes that allow you to save files in Layers?
I forgot to add Stewart, LR and PS as a monthly sub is only £8.50, it's aclually pretty good value
 
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