jtm6
Well-known
Hey, stop living your life... you're getting in the way of my photos!Entitlement sucks.
I think getting in the way of someone else's once-in-a-lifetime view so they can use a big iPad to record a video is a better example of entitlement. Add a dash of "everyone should have the same chance at opportunity" to flavor.
Maybe, but **** happens in life. They had the better spot than you.
Jason Sprenger
Well-known
Yeah that's my damn iPad.
Suck it, photo-whore.
You missed.
Suck it, photo-whore.
You missed.
Spanik
Well-known
Bring along a Fotoman 810 next time...
SausalitoDog
Well-known
Real pros know how to be in position for the shot...amateur pros position themselves behind the ipads
Actually, the shot in the original post is probably a lot more interesting BECAUSE of the ipads!
Actually, the shot in the original post is probably a lot more interesting BECAUSE of the ipads!
giellaleafapmu
Well-known
I don't understand what the rant is here. You are a professional and you are mad at the guys with an iPad? It should be part of your work to get the picture despite whatever obstacle you have to overcome. You are not a professional and you are using something different to take a picture? Then why do you care what other people use? Am I the only one to like every picture-taking device? I mean, when they come out I could not stand mobile phones but now we all enjoy much better battery technology thanks to the huge mobile phone market and the consequent research which went into batteries. Maybe we shall eventually have super-flat lenses of some other funny stuff thanks to iPads. Besides, I find funny to take pictures with whatever I have at hand. Usually, I have something more comfortable than an iPad so I don't do much iPad shooting but I don't see what's wrong with other people doing that... We are lucky to have so many options these days, in this forum people complain a lot but actually almost no technology (not even film related) disappeared in the digital era (except, maybe, some ways to print slides and a bunch of emulsions), even platinum-palladium print, which was gone for decades during the last century, is easily available and, despite their best efforts, not even Kodak or Leitz so why not just enjoying this instead of complaining about rather innocent devices such as iPods.
GLF
GLF
marcoinhawaii
Member
Most of the comments are here are from amateurs who've never worked in a professional setting, especially one where you have to cover a political leader for a newspaper or news wire service. The problem is the credentialed media is usually held in a roped off area (a portable stage) and cannot move or mingle with the general population. The view is usually very tight and the window of opportunity is extremely quick. We're talking just a minute or two of the President shaking hands with the crowd, etc. When someone in the crowd does something that obstructs your view, there is absolutely nothing you can do but hope a window of view will open up.
The image of Obama shaking hands with the crowd is nothing new but imagine if someone throws a pie or tries to strike him...or even worse. That image would be an earth shattering moment, politically and photographically speaking. Think of the Kennedys or Reagan. Imagine if a bunch of amateurs with ipads were surrounding the President when the pizza guy gave him a bear hug just the other day. A bunch of amateurs would have gotten the shot but none of us would have seen it because the image wasn't moved on the news wire. for our local papers to pick it up. The photographer who shot the picture of the image on the ipad made the best of a terrible view.
The fact is it could be an ipad, a tall guy with a hat or a campaign sign...all these and more could cause you to miss your shot. It could also be the official WH photographer. But when amateurs show up with these big ipads, its just foolishness on their part...all the more to make a professional shutter.
The image of Obama shaking hands with the crowd is nothing new but imagine if someone throws a pie or tries to strike him...or even worse. That image would be an earth shattering moment, politically and photographically speaking. Think of the Kennedys or Reagan. Imagine if a bunch of amateurs with ipads were surrounding the President when the pizza guy gave him a bear hug just the other day. A bunch of amateurs would have gotten the shot but none of us would have seen it because the image wasn't moved on the news wire. for our local papers to pick it up. The photographer who shot the picture of the image on the ipad made the best of a terrible view.
The fact is it could be an ipad, a tall guy with a hat or a campaign sign...all these and more could cause you to miss your shot. It could also be the official WH photographer. But when amateurs show up with these big ipads, its just foolishness on their part...all the more to make a professional shutter.
Peter_wrote:
Well-known
such a picture made by an ipad guy would be available in the net within seconds, and even the traditional media would it use then.
and even in former times some of the most interesting photos and film documents of the kennedy assassination were made by amateurs.
emraphoto
Veteran
The fact of the matter is that part of photojournalism is over. Long over. If you are a photojournalist bitching about this sort of scenario then you need to give your head a shake. I turn these jobs down unless I get day rate. The money you are going to get for a picture of Obama (whoever) is peanuts, you are going to waste your whole day trying to get it and the jerk with the ipad is going to get the picture run (probably for free).
The return on time, frustration levels and career path interrupted is not worth it.
Yes, amateurs are taking over aspects of photojournalism. This situation is exactly where they are doing it. Focus your time, efforts and mind on what they can't provide.
The return on time, frustration levels and career path interrupted is not worth it.
Yes, amateurs are taking over aspects of photojournalism. This situation is exactly where they are doing it. Focus your time, efforts and mind on what they can't provide.
filmfan
Well-known
You sound like an ass.
emraphoto
Veteran
Who sounds like an ass?
Damaso
Photojournalist
The OP is suggesting no such thing, he simply wanted to start a ruckus, er, conversation...
:angel:
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
It was worse back in the days when seating in cinemas wasn't as good as it is now and some people had afros! (cringe) No cinema ever offered me my money back for having to peer around a huge black blob for two hours!
Bob Michaels
nobody special
I understood your motivation from the very beginning.
jtm6
Well-known
Hey, stop living your life... you're getting in the way of my photos!
Thanks. I think we might agree about similar things here. I'm just pointing out that it seems hypocritical to not consider neighbors while taking pictures/video of a leader who says we need to consider our neighbors and be fair.
marcoinhawaii
Member
sir, you are horribly correct.
the media would pick up such said image from twitter, run it on every front page in the world, and the next day claim they didn't know who the image belonged to and though it was free to run.
professionals are just the low paid insurance policy the media will get a shot but if there is a shot out there from an amateur, it will get taken.
robklurfield
eclipse
Don't trust an OP who wears a mask in his avatar portrait. He's gotta be hiding something!
grantb
Established
If your pictures aren't good enough, you're not close enough
...to surreptitiously kick the iPadographers in the back of the knee.
...to surreptitiously kick the iPadographers in the back of the knee.
True and I got that. I just think that in a situation like this, things are very hectic for the average person... and they get caught up in the moment and stuff. I'd have no problem saying... "can you put down the damn ipad so I can get at least one shot!"
filmfan
Well-known
The OP. Who else?