skahde
V for Victory!
They certainly are not going to steal Zeiss' designs but It would surprise me if they didn't take a close look what a top-notch lens is supposed to deliver and where their own creations are lacking in comparison. It would be a an impossible oversight if Cosina's designers are serious about their own busines, which they obviously are.There is no Zeiss in Voigtlander.
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kram
Well-known
Re Zeiss wobble. I now have most of the ZM lens (the ones I don't have 85mm, 28mm and 35mm f2.8). Two or three of the earlier designs have uneven focusing stiffness but the 15mm and latter designs have no issue (18mm, 21mm f4.5.).
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Otus thing was DOA, never seen it even mentioned at forums or else. They were huge, ugly and overpriced. IMO.The ZM lenses were, but the Otus, Milvus, Loxia and Batis lenses were not. The Otus and Milvus, at least, were made by Zeiss in Germany.
It is also worth keeping in mind that the Zeiss Foundation is a huge entity, for whom photography has been a minor segment for over 70 years. Zeiss is not stopping manufacture of microscopes, endoscopes, sporting optics and a huge range of other equipment that keeps them a world leader in optical equipment. But I will really miss new T* coated camera lenses.
Freakscene
Obscure member
You can see thus from the designs too. Voigtländer (by Cosina) lenses are more similar to Leica designs than Zeiss designs.I can abolutely assure you nothing of the sort. Cosina and Zeiss make a point of very separate designs and specs.
There is no Zeiss in Voigtlander.
Stephen
Freakscene
Obscure member
The Otus lenses have sold fairly well according to my local Zeiss distributor. And the Milvus 50/1.4 is the nicest slr manual focus normal lens I’ve ever used. All the Zeiss spectacle lenses for Australasia are made at Tonsley in Adelaide and the local support for us here in South Australia is therefore very good because the service centre and staff are nearby.Otus thing was DOA, never seen it even mentioned at forums or else. They were huge, ugly and overpriced. IMO.
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nickthetasmaniac
Veteran
Really? I remember when the first Otus was released (55/f1.4) and the forums positively gushed over the perfection. I recall more than a few claims of ‘best normal ever’…Otus thing was DOA, never seen it even mentioned at forums or else. They were huge, ugly and overpriced. IMO.
boojum
Ignoble Miscreant
I see this as driving the CZJ clone market. Some KMZ J8's are just great. And Skyllaney has the Bertele project going, but it will be expensive. The smaller Chinese companies, TT and 7Artisan and LLL, seem to be competitive. An interesting time in lenses. But there are so many good vintage lenses out there at good prices. CZJ's and CZJ clones are out there. Perhaps the Chinese will start more CZJ clones.Hmmm ... might be time to buy a CZJ M42 mount or two - although my Helios and Takumars are OK for my tired old eyes ...
OTOH, just how many lenses does somebody really need?
Yokosuka Mike
Abstract Clarity
Good question.OTOH, just how many lenses does somebody really need?
I've been accused of stating the obvious before…
Without interesting content, a good composition, and some decent light, the best lens in the world is of little value in the picture taking process. Creativity first, gear second.
All the best,
Mike
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Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
I'm at P.O.T.N.
For non RF gear I'm P.O.T.N since 2009.
P.O.T.P search returned "whopping" 41 returns on Otus
and "astonishing" 17 returns on Milvus with majority of replies between 0 and 7 for each of 17 threads.
It translates as "dusty corner" to me.
Really? I remember when the first Otus was released (55/f1.4) and the forums positively gushed over the perfection. I recall more than a few claims of ‘best normal ever’…
For non RF gear I'm P.O.T.N since 2009.
P.O.T.P search returned "whopping" 41 returns on Otus
It translates as "dusty corner" to me.
skahde
V for Victory!
Agreed but second is still quite high on my personal list of things that are needed for a good photograph.Creativity first, gear second.
Yokosuka Mike
Abstract Clarity
Agreed but second is still quite high on my personal list of things that are needed for a good photograph.
Agreed!
All the best,
Mike
Archiver
Veteran
My bread and butter documentary photography kit is the M9 with Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4. I have yet to try a setup that gives the same kind of high quality yet characterful rendering of this combination, although I aim to try the Classic Distagon 35/2 EF on my S5 sooner or later. Failing that, I will see if a Milvus will have the same kind combination of crisp clarity, microcontrast and soft bokeh.
dourbalistar
Buy more film
C'mon, we all know the answer to that. It's just one more...OTOH, just how many lenses does somebody really need?
Freakscene
Obscure member
Maybe the users of these lenses are just out there using them rather than spending all their time on forums? A lot of technical and scientific photographers are using them.I'm at P.O.T.N.
For non RF gear I'm P.O.T.N since 2009.
P.O.T.P search returned "whopping" 41 returns on Otusand "astonishing" 17 returns on Milvus with majority of replies between 0 and 7 for each of 17 threads.
It translates as "dusty corner" to me.
Just picked up my Pentax K-3 iii Monochrome, as a total aside . . .
WJJ3
Well-known
Ko Fe, I dig your signature! Running 49/19 over hereI'm at P.O.T.N.
For non RF gear I'm P.O.T.N since 2009.
P.O.T.P search returned "whopping" 41 returns on Otusand "astonishing" 17 returns on Milvus with majority of replies between 0 and 7 for each of 17 threads.
It translates as "dusty corner" to me.
dourbalistar
Buy more film
42/15 on a vintage Panasonic DX-500 fixed gear conversion over here.Ko Fe, I dig your signature! Running 49/19 over here
Wenge
Registered User
Chris when I move to St Louis, I plan on steeling a raft upriver then floating down with my film cameras, all the while recalling Mark Twain's humor of shits and giggles.
pgk
Well-known
Whilst true it is a simplistic statement because we need gear in order to be creative and so we all have to make choices about what gear we use. Photography has always been gear orientated and photographers have always discussed gear. The trick is to have sufficient gear which works well for what you want to do with it and use it. Some are ocd on gear, others anything but. Whatever works.Creativity first, gear second.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Maybe the users of these lenses are just out there using them rather than spending all their time on forums? A lot of technical and scientific photographers are using them.
Just picked up my Pentax K-3 iii Monochrome, as a total aside . . .
So ... obviously not a rumour then!
Yokosuka Mike
Abstract Clarity
Creativity first, gear second.
Whilst true it is a simplistic statement because we need gear in order to be creative and so we all have to make choices about what gear we use. Photography has always been gear orientated and photographers have always discussed gear. The trick is to have sufficient gear which works well for what you want to do with it and use it. Some are ocd on gear, others anything but. Whatever works.
I'm fine with being a simplistic sort of fellow that is in search of a good picture.
The more I have, the less I need. Yes, another simplistic statement. But, I prefer the less I have, the more creative I am.
Anyway, I don't care. Life is good.
All the best,
Mike
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