Alain
Member
I'm new to rangefinders (though not to photography)...
What makes the new Zeiss Ikon a better camera (sans the lens) than say the Bessa R2 or newer R2m? Looks like they are made in the same factory. I understand the QC is handled by Zeiss but I wondered how much separates these two cameras?
In motion picture, I shoot with Ziess glass on a late-1970s NPR, and I have a hard time telling the difference between a new camera with the same glass. By extension couldn't a person yield the same image on a R2 or R2m with Leica or Zeiss glass that a Zeiss Ikon would yield with Lieca or Zeiss glass?
I know the user experience is different but what about the images these cameras yield?
Best,
Alain
What makes the new Zeiss Ikon a better camera (sans the lens) than say the Bessa R2 or newer R2m? Looks like they are made in the same factory. I understand the QC is handled by Zeiss but I wondered how much separates these two cameras?
In motion picture, I shoot with Ziess glass on a late-1970s NPR, and I have a hard time telling the difference between a new camera with the same glass. By extension couldn't a person yield the same image on a R2 or R2m with Leica or Zeiss glass that a Zeiss Ikon would yield with Lieca or Zeiss glass?
I know the user experience is different but what about the images these cameras yield?
Best,
Alain
sf
Veteran
baselength is enough to be worth the extra cost.
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alain,
do a search as this has been the topic of quite a few discussions and there is lots of info already posted here.
some good reading for you, i think.
do a search as this has been the topic of quite a few discussions and there is lots of info already posted here.
some good reading for you, i think.
W
wlewisiii
Guest
The RF baselength and the finder are the two biggest areas of improvement according to those who have used both. If the money were available, I personally, would go for the ZI over the RXa for that extra QC. OTOH, again presuming that the money was there, the R*M makes the equation a wee bit more difficult to solve (especially due to the Heliar 50/2 :bang: :bang: :bang: _and_ mechanical shutter.)
I own a CL so I know a small base line can be lived with. I also own a Canon 7 so I know that having a longer baseline is a real value. I think that, today, my idea of the ideal system would be a ZI body, the 28/2.8, 50/1.5 & 85/2 wrapped in a Luigi case would qualify. I might go with the 35/2 instead of the 28/2.8 but that's a different decision...
Batteries don't have to be a big deal either with a bit of fore thought...
Hope this helps,
William
I own a CL so I know a small base line can be lived with. I also own a Canon 7 so I know that having a longer baseline is a real value. I think that, today, my idea of the ideal system would be a ZI body, the 28/2.8, 50/1.5 & 85/2 wrapped in a Luigi case would qualify. I might go with the 35/2 instead of the 28/2.8 but that's a different decision...
Batteries don't have to be a big deal either with a bit of fore thought...Hope this helps,
William
Huck Finn
Well-known
Improvements over the R2 or R2M include effective baselength (base line + maghification), viewfinder, AE with "permanent" AE lock & exposure compensation in 1/3 stop increments, metering, auto frame selection, 28 mm frame lines.
Alain
Member
shutterflower said:
Thanks, but what would you recommend searching under? Key words?
Searches can be frustrating, but I hear ya.
Thanks,
Alain
Alain
Member
Thanks to those who responded with info...
Baselength as I've been "reading" is critical indeed, but one has to experience this to better understand it.
My question is this: if the widest lens I'm using is a 35/2.5 or 35/2 does baselength become that critical? I could understand this with a 28 or wider but what about a 35 or 50?
Thanks everyone!
Alain
Baselength as I've been "reading" is critical indeed, but one has to experience this to better understand it.
My question is this: if the widest lens I'm using is a 35/2.5 or 35/2 does baselength become that critical? I could understand this with a 28 or wider but what about a 35 or 50?
Thanks everyone!
Alain
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
Up to 50mm f2.0 or 75mm f4, the baseline of the Bessas is more than adequate, if you take the one with the 1:1 viewfinder (don't remember which model is exactly) you can easily focus 50mm f1.4 or 75mm f2.8, however if you plan to use a Summilux 75 wide open(f1.4) I'd say that with the bessas (even the one with the 1:1 viewfinder) your focusing is going to be a lot of hit and miss, so in that case you realy need the ZI or an M Leica.
With 35mm lenses or wider I'd say there is no problem.
With 35mm lenses or wider I'd say there is no problem.
Alain
Member
Thanks for all the help!
Alain
Alain