Zorki 1 - extremely tight take up spool

[fub]

hi there,

recently got a cheap Zorki 1 and after lubricating everything is working fine except for the take up spool: it is so tight in there that i literally need all my force and pliers to get this thing out of there. I have pushed the springs on the spindle inward already it did not help. It always gets stuck after putting the cover on the bottom of the camera. with bottom open i can push the spool in and it will still be relatively easy to remove. When pushing it in pretty hard i notice in the end it almost clicks into position and than will be stuck there, only to be removed with pliers.

i have accidentally taken the spring assambly apart and am now wondering of course if i have put it back together in the wrong way.
Let me try to describe how i put it back together:
With the tip of the spindle unscrewed (shaft with threads stays installed) i have 4 parts: That tip with the threads, a normal spring, a washer and the spindle with the springs one can push inward or outward. When reassembling i put the spindle first with the narrower end facing to the bottom of the camera, next i put the washer in there, followed by the normal spring and finally everything is secured by screwing the tip on.

I have tried different take up spools from other Zorkis and they all get stuck in that camera. The spool that came with that camera works fine on all other Zorkis.
I have checked the Maizenberg book but it really is of no help in this situation

I am really stuck here. What did i miss?

Thanks in advance

 

[Duofold RF]

The take‑up spool design should be the same as the later Zorki‑4. Photo 1 shows the spool itself. At the end, the slotted screw‑in section is the part that engages the film spool. If this section becomes deformed —such as spreading too wide—it increases friction and can cause the mechanism to bind or jam. Hope this helps

 

[fub]

The take‑up spool design should be the same as the later Zorki‑4. Photo 1 shows the spool itself. At the end, the slotted screw‑in section is the part that engages the film spool. If this section becomes deformed —such as spreading too wide—it increases friction and can cause the mechanism to bind or jam. Hope this helps

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Fixed! Thank you so much 🙂

 

[fub]

The take‑up spool design should be the same as the later Zorki‑4. Photo 1 shows the spool itself. At the end, the slotted screw‑in section is the part that engages the film spool. If this section becomes deformed —such as spreading too wide—it increases friction and can cause the mechanism to bind or jam. Hope this helps

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the problem reappered after a while. i kept taking it apart, cleaning and lubricating the parts but it just did not get any better. i tried the take up spool from a Zorki S and it was better. Still getting stuck though. I finally wanted to change part with a different Zorki 1 i have (i think versio E) but thats not possible because they have the same assembly as the Zorki-S, which is different to the 1(c). It looks similiar to a Zorki-4.
Anyways i tried the take up spool from the Z-1(e) and it fits perfectly. Even winds better than before. No idea why there is this mess with the spools. It looks like an original Z-1 spool. Oh well

 

[Duofold RF]

There is a stud inside the film spool that fits into the slot on the spool. Another issue that can occur is that after about half a roll has been wound, the film suddenly loses tension on the spool, leaving you unable to advance further.
The only former Soviet‑era camera I own is an export‑version Zorki‑4, which was given to me by a colleague.