mr_phillip
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Hmmm, the Nokton looks marginally sharper to me but at the expense of the hard-edged bokeh that affects the 40mm Nokton. The Zeiss looks to trade a minute degree of sharpness for much smoother OOF areas.
I'm still reserving judgement 'til I see some shots with this lens at its full angle of vision on film, but it's looking like the hard-edged bokeh from the 40mm is carried over in this one. The comparisons with Tom's 'lux are gonna be mighty interesting.
Sonnar2
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Yes, wide-open comparison with the pre-asph. Summilux would be of great help here...
Hates_
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Just orded mine from Robert White. Should have it on Monday! Can't wait!
So, what do you think Tom is doing right now?
Tom A
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Ok, Tom was just downloading the first roll shot with the 35f1.4 SC on to Flickr.
Yesterdays weather screwed up the testing as it was very sunny and bright - but at least we know now what the lens will do in high contrast! Later today I will download the stuff from the Summilux 35 and the Nokton 40f1.4 SC. But right now the sun is out again and I also have to go and get a haircut (the latter according to Tuulikki).
Yesterdays weather screwed up the testing as it was very sunny and bright - but at least we know now what the lens will do in high contrast! Later today I will download the stuff from the Summilux 35 and the Nokton 40f1.4 SC. But right now the sun is out again and I also have to go and get a haircut (the latter according to Tuulikki).
We would put you on a short leash if your flickr didn't get any additions soon.
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sockeyed
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Looks to me to perform every similarly to the 40mm Nokton, which I guess is no great suprise. Colour balance, contrast, flare control and light fall-off wide open all echo the 40. This is good for me as I use my 40mm as a 35mm on my M6 - the framelines fit almost perfectly. This somewhat eliminates the temptation to pick up the 35mm Nokton!
For those who feel that the bokeh is harsh, if it behaves like the 40mm, it will clean up noticeably by f/2 and be quite attractive by f/2.8, IMO.
40mm Nokton at f/2:
For those who feel that the bokeh is harsh, if it behaves like the 40mm, it will clean up noticeably by f/2 and be quite attractive by f/2.8, IMO.
40mm Nokton at f/2:
findwolfhard
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35-1.4
35-1.4
Will get mine next week!
regards Wolfhard
35-1.4
Will get mine next week!
regards Wolfhard
Ok, looking at the shots Tom has loaded into his flickr so far and the other shots posted on flickr from the new Nokton, it seems fair to say it is a nice sharp lens. I like the tones and rendering I see from it. Tom has the SC version and he comments on his test shots that is handles flare well.
Compared to the SC 40 Nokton and his Pre Asph Summilux it seems the SC 35 Nokton has less contrast, the 40 the most Summilux in the middle. All there are very sharp, to my eye, probably becuase of the lower contrast, I prefer the images from the 35s over the 40.
I can't wait to see Tom's shots from wider apertures. The others on flickr seem to be a little squirrelly in the bokeh area. A direct comparison to the Summilux will add some perspective to this performance.
Compared to the SC 40 Nokton and his Pre Asph Summilux it seems the SC 35 Nokton has less contrast, the 40 the most Summilux in the middle. All there are very sharp, to my eye, probably becuase of the lower contrast, I prefer the images from the 35s over the 40.
I can't wait to see Tom's shots from wider apertures. The others on flickr seem to be a little squirrelly in the bokeh area. A direct comparison to the Summilux will add some perspective to this performance.
ZebGoesZeiss
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Let me be the first to say that I'm a bit underwhelmed from what I've seen so far. But most of those images found on Flickr are too small to say anything. But the large ones (taken with a digital, I think) look rather "harsh". Now, I'm not saying that it's not worth the money, but I'm glad I didn't put down the deposit on this one.
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ZebGoesZeiss said:
I second your opinion about the size of the images: they are simply too small to judge sharpness and most other parameters. I will wait, probably we will see real world hi-res examples soon.
Timmy P
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Well I've had mine for a couple of days and can say that it is similar to the 40 f1.4 I also own.
The Bokeh is similar to the 40, but I would say wide open it is not as harsh as the 40 is. Also, similar to the 40, the 35 really sharpens up at f2 upwards, as does the bokeh.
If I could hazard a guess, it seems the 35 doesn't experiance the doubling up of thick lines that the 40 seems to do wide open. IF you've taken a picture with chair's out of focus etc, you'll know what I'm talking about.
And now onto the most important part, I've got a few samples, most wide open of the new 35 f1.4.
Most of the shots are fairly droll or unsharp, but they've been included for all those curious to see how the bokeh looks. I'll put some samples up when I got street shooting, so for now all you'll have to deal with is people shots wide open. Just open the link below, the shots are tagged 35 & also Epson.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timjpower
PS: If someone is willing to host RAWS/Hi res JPEGS I'll be happy to send them too them to host. I just don't have anywhere that lets me upload hi res unfortunatley.
Enjoy!
-Tim
The Bokeh is similar to the 40, but I would say wide open it is not as harsh as the 40 is. Also, similar to the 40, the 35 really sharpens up at f2 upwards, as does the bokeh.
If I could hazard a guess, it seems the 35 doesn't experiance the doubling up of thick lines that the 40 seems to do wide open. IF you've taken a picture with chair's out of focus etc, you'll know what I'm talking about.
And now onto the most important part, I've got a few samples, most wide open of the new 35 f1.4.
Most of the shots are fairly droll or unsharp, but they've been included for all those curious to see how the bokeh looks. I'll put some samples up when I got street shooting, so for now all you'll have to deal with is people shots wide open. Just open the link below, the shots are tagged 35 & also Epson.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timjpower
PS: If someone is willing to host RAWS/Hi res JPEGS I'll be happy to send them too them to host. I just don't have anywhere that lets me upload hi res unfortunatley.
Enjoy!
-Tim
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Tim, do you have the SC or MC?
Thanks for posting. I will agree that the bokeh isn't as much like the 40 as I can remember the 40 being. You have some tough backgrounds there so I would think you are showing the lens at its worst possible scenario. Any lens would fail this test
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timjpower/2286041866/
But she did better here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timjpower/2285252071/
Thanks for posting. I will agree that the bokeh isn't as much like the 40 as I can remember the 40 being. You have some tough backgrounds there so I would think you are showing the lens at its worst possible scenario. Any lens would fail this test
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timjpower/2286041866/
But she did better here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timjpower/2285252071/
Krosya
Konicaze
After looking at some photos - I'm very very very glad that I went with Nokton 35/1.2.
I think the 1.2 has few competitors optically, but it is not without its issues regarding size and cost. All are trade offs.
As to not start too much of a debate regarding my light through tree comment, here is one of the tabbed 50 Summicron failing that test under perhaps not as harsh of conditions as Tim is showing.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=2686
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=2686
Krosya
Konicaze
That may be true, but to me what matters is - results. Size and cost I can deal with. Plus, cost is not that much different really - $300 extra for a far better lens is nothing to me. But to me Ultron looks much better as well. ANd it's cheaper. It still is a bit larger, but not much. I really don't see the point of this new Nokton as it seems so similar to 40/1.4. But I'll give it a benefit of a doubt as it's a new lens and we may yet see some better results. However, so far, everything points to it being similar to 40/1.4.rover said:
Just my opinion.
Tom A
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Last night I decided that I wanted to see how well the 35mmf1.4 SC did under street conditions. We took a walk along 4th Avenue, a busy shopping area clsoe to us and I shot a couple of rools with the 35/1.4 SC and also with my Summilux 35 pre-asph.
I have posted some of these shots on our Flickr site
http://flickr.com/photos/rapidwinder/
and some more "regular" light ones this morning. Impressive performance at f1.4! Very little flare and good sharpness even at 1.4-2. Some "smearing" of out of focus spotlights, very similar to the pre-asph Summilux 35.
Contrast, at least on the SC is kind off middle off the road, less "spikes" than the 40f1.4 SC/MC but a bit more than with the Summilux 35.
I have posted some of these shots on our Flickr site
http://flickr.com/photos/rapidwinder/
and some more "regular" light ones this morning. Impressive performance at f1.4! Very little flare and good sharpness even at 1.4-2. Some "smearing" of out of focus spotlights, very similar to the pre-asph Summilux 35.
Contrast, at least on the SC is kind off middle off the road, less "spikes" than the 40f1.4 SC/MC but a bit more than with the Summilux 35.
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noimmunity
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Krosya said:
Actually, the difference is only $260, or just $190 if you include the price of the hood for the little nokton (the hood for the big nokton is included).