BillP
Rangefinder General
Words fail me...
http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/counter_terrorism/ct_camera_2008.pdf
http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/campaign_ct_2008.htm
Regards,
Bill
http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/counter_terrorism/ct_camera_2008.pdf
http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/campaign_ct_2008.htm
Regards,
Bill
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Well, I'll certainly not be planning a vacation to the UK any time soon. It appears your police are suffering from the same delusions as those on this side of the pond....
I wonder how much time the police will spend hassling tourists while the real terrorists are laughing their arses off somewhere.
I wonder how much time the police will spend hassling tourists while the real terrorists are laughing their arses off somewhere.
detzie
Member
Is this real?
I heard about the CCTVs, but I thought someone in your goverment must have a great sense of humor and fondness of Orwell, now this..
(And I live in Israel. So I do think I know what terrorism is..)
I heard about the CCTVs, but I thought someone in your goverment must have a great sense of humor and fondness of Orwell, now this..
(And I live in Israel. So I do think I know what terrorism is..)
Morca007
Matt
The United Kingdom is going down a scary road, and what worries me even more is how ready the U.S. is to follow it.
bmattock
Veteran
This may seem strange coming from me, but I do not have a problem with people reporting suspicious behavior to the police, including people taking photos of unusual objects or in a furtive or, well, suspicious manner.
My fear is the police seem to be responding in a manner that indicates that all photography is illegal unless they give the OK, which at least in the US, is not true.
It is the illegal actions that police have been recently taking against photographers in the UK (and in the US as well) which worry me. If they respond to a report of suspicious behavior, interview a photographer, and determine he or she is not a terrorist or engaged in illegal behavior, they should leave them in peace, not demand they delete their photos, display their photos to the police, confiscate their cameras, or manhandle them - all of which has been undertaken by various police agencies in recent days.
There are terrorists, people should be vigilant, and reporting suspicious behavior to the police is not a bad thing. Once everything is proven to be safe, go away and leave the photographer alone.
My fear is the police seem to be responding in a manner that indicates that all photography is illegal unless they give the OK, which at least in the US, is not true.
It is the illegal actions that police have been recently taking against photographers in the UK (and in the US as well) which worry me. If they respond to a report of suspicious behavior, interview a photographer, and determine he or she is not a terrorist or engaged in illegal behavior, they should leave them in peace, not demand they delete their photos, display their photos to the police, confiscate their cameras, or manhandle them - all of which has been undertaken by various police agencies in recent days.
There are terrorists, people should be vigilant, and reporting suspicious behavior to the police is not a bad thing. Once everything is proven to be safe, go away and leave the photographer alone.
R
RML
Guest
"We need to know"
Oh, really?
Did I just hear the Twilight Zone jingle...?
Oh, really?
Did I just hear the Twilight Zone jingle...?
nobbylon
Veteran
I voted with my feet! 11 yrs ago. UK just keeps getting worse. As is usual, an over politically correct govt. and a complete reluctance to take a hard line with issues closer to home. :bang: rant over, that feels better
Larky
Well-known
Think I'll be leaving the UK as soon as possible. It's getting mad, I blame the USA for having the worst foreign policy in recorded history and the UK for being so pathetic we just follow along.
But, where to go?
But, where to go?
ClaremontPhoto
Jon Claremont
And if when there is a terrorist attack they'll ask for our photos from that day...
Roger Hicks
Veteran
I love "WE NEED TO KNOW"
I do not have a burning desire to return to England.
As a friend of mine put it, "I think identity cards are a wonderful idea. All terrorists can be issued with red-bordered identity cards and that will mean they can be identified immediately..."
Cheers,
R.
Cheers,
R.
I do not have a burning desire to return to England.
As a friend of mine put it, "I think identity cards are a wonderful idea. All terrorists can be issued with red-bordered identity cards and that will mean they can be identified immediately..."
Cheers,
R.
Cheers,
R.
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
Boy they are sure getting a lot of mileage out of this terrorist thing.
it's the best scam they concocted to deprive you of your civil liberties.
things can only get worse worldwide.
it's the best scam they concocted to deprive you of your civil liberties.
things can only get worse worldwide.
BillP
Rangefinder General
Number 6: Where am I?
Number 2: In the Village.
Number 6: What do you want?
Number 2: We want information.
Number 6: Whose side are you on?
Number 2: That would be telling. We want information... information... information.
Number 6: You won't get it.
Number 2: By hook or by crook, we will.
Number 6: Who are you?
Number 2: The new Number 2.
Number 6: Who is Number 1?
Number 2: You are Number 6.
Number 6: I am not a number, I am a free man.
Regards,
Bill
Number 2: In the Village.
Number 6: What do you want?
Number 2: We want information.
Number 6: Whose side are you on?
Number 2: That would be telling. We want information... information... information.
Number 6: You won't get it.
Number 2: By hook or by crook, we will.
Number 6: Who are you?
Number 2: The new Number 2.
Number 6: Who is Number 1?
Number 2: You are Number 6.
Number 6: I am not a number, I am a free man.
Regards,
Bill
minoltist7
pussy photographer
This paranoja is common in Russia (especially Moscow), where officials consider photographer "a terrorist" if he shots something "suspicious" (i.e. different from mother-in-law shots against the sightseeings ).
The most suspicious places are - near goverment buildings, or transportation objects (airports, railways, elevated highway ramps, big bridges )
The most suspicious places are - near goverment buildings, or transportation objects (airports, railways, elevated highway ramps, big bridges )
Tuolumne
Veteran
Larky said:Think I'll be leaving the UK as soon as possible. It's getting mad, I blame the USA for having the worst foreign policy in recorded history and the UK for being so pathetic we just follow along.
But, where to go?
I'm sure Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afganistan, Syria, Lebanon or dozens of other countries with foreign policies you may find more to your liking would welcome you with open arms. BTW, can I have your cameras when you're gone?
/T
bmattock
Veteran
Would someone explain to me what is wrong with a person reporting something that they think might be suspicious?
Would someone likewise explain to me what is wrong with a police officer asking a photographer what he or she is about?
Would someone likewise explain to me what is wrong with a police officer asking a photographer what he or she is about?
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
wait till the radio frequency microchip implanting starts to occur big time on most human beings alive.
it will be sold to them as a real convenience.
how can you do without it they'll say.
poor sheeple.
it will be sold to them as a real convenience.
how can you do without it they'll say.
poor sheeple.
iamzip
Ambitious, but rubbish
Orwell was right.
The only thing he got wrong was the year.
The only thing he got wrong was the year.
bmattock
Veteran
xayraa33 said:wait till the radio frequency microchip implanting starts to occur big time on most human beings alive.
it will be sold to them as a real convenience.
how can you do without it they'll say.
poor sheeple.
If you do not remember to cut eyeholes in your tinfoil helmet, you'll trip over the furniture. Just a tip from one who's been there.
Spaceman Spiff
Tinfoil Helmet Brigade, Commanding
bmattock
Veteran
iamzip said:Orwell was right.
The only thing he got wrong was the year.
Not Orwell. Huxley.
FallisPhoto
Veteran
bmattock said:Would someone explain to me what is wrong with a person reporting something that they think might be suspicious?
Would someone likewise explain to me what is wrong with a police officer asking a photographer what he or she is about?
Beats me. Now if the cop doesn't accept your explaination and arrests you, just for taking photos on a public street, then we've got something to talk about.
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