bene
Established
Hi I am keen on 'turning pro' I am completing my BSC in economics and am planning to apply for a BFA in photography while working as a part time photographer to build a portfolio and learn the business side of things.
I just wonder if my reason to turn pro is valid or it is just castles built on clouds...
Do something i love.
I want to take better pictures and get exposure
buy better gear
I find that I dont like the office work enviroment . stiffling. I fear a mid/ quater life crisis!
I am keen on being a wedding photographer as I like to capture moments adding realism into a wedding no matter how fairytale like it may be.
Powerful protraits that capture the essence of the person.
Free to create and observe life and from a corner share their feelings.
It feel like a job with great freedom but I think that is dependent on which aspect.
I just wonder if my reason to turn pro is valid or it is just castles built on clouds...
Do something i love.
I want to take better pictures and get exposure
buy better gear
I find that I dont like the office work enviroment . stiffling. I fear a mid/ quater life crisis!
I am keen on being a wedding photographer as I like to capture moments adding realism into a wedding no matter how fairytale like it may be.
Powerful protraits that capture the essence of the person.
Free to create and observe life and from a corner share their feelings.
It feel like a job with great freedom but I think that is dependent on which aspect.
Mcary
Well-known
I just wonder if my reason to turn pro is valid or it is just castles built on clouds...
Do something i love.
I want to take better pictures and get exposure
buy better gear
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"Do something I love" Not saying it will happen but a lot of the time the pressure of meeting deadline's,paying bills and not knowing where/when your next job is coming from can quickly turn something you love into something you dread.
"I want to take better pictures and get exposure " This has little or nothing to do with being a professional photographer. For every professional photograph who puts out boring un-inspiring work there are dozens of amateurs putting out amazing work.
"buy better gear" Sorry to be so blunt but this is the dumbest reason for becoming a professional photographer. Smart professional photographer's only buy equipment that will give them a good return on their money.
Amateur: you decide what equipment you want.
Pro: Your accountant decides what equipment you need. Ok its not that bad.
Reason for being a professional photographer; I want to provide a quality product while making a good living doing it.
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ampguy
Veteran
some tips
some tips
I think wedding photography is declining. Weddings are downsizing, and most everyone knows a friend or relative with a camera who can do the job for free.
Check out zivity.com - if you can get some work up there, you're a pro. You can try it out with an email invite code on my blog for 30 days.
It's a lot easier to find a model interested in the possibility of making some spare cash, than someone getting married, willing to pay a stranger hundreds or thousands of dollars for taking some snapshots for a couple of hours.
some tips
I think wedding photography is declining. Weddings are downsizing, and most everyone knows a friend or relative with a camera who can do the job for free.
Check out zivity.com - if you can get some work up there, you're a pro. You can try it out with an email invite code on my blog for 30 days.
It's a lot easier to find a model interested in the possibility of making some spare cash, than someone getting married, willing to pay a stranger hundreds or thousands of dollars for taking some snapshots for a couple of hours.
Hi I am keen on 'turning pro' I am completing my BSC in economics and am planning to apply for a BFA in photography while working as a part time photographer to build a portfolio and learn the business side of things.
I just wonder if my reason to turn pro is valid or it is just castles built on clouds...
Do something i love.
I want to take better pictures and get exposure
buy better gear
I find that I dont like the office work enviroment . stiffling. I fear a mid/ quater life crisis!
I am keen on being a wedding photographer as I like to capture moments adding realism into a wedding no matter how fairytale like it may be.
Powerful protraits that capture the essence of the person.
Free to create and observe life and from a corner share their feelings.
It feel like a job with great freedom but I think that is dependent on which aspect.
bene
Established
Thanks for the reality check! But, its something i wish to try a least for 1 yr but i am still far from it =).
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Take what you want, and pay for it, saieth the Lord.
The chances of making a good living at photography are slender, and plenty quit when they don't make enough to live on. As Mike says, there's a lot of administration and cash flow can be more interesting than you would like.
There are basically three options:
1 Work your arse off taking boring pictures for boring people. Honestly, that's what the vast majority of professional photography is. Advertising in the 70s was OK when there was lots of money and wine around but I'd not want to do it nowadays. Weddings are probably on the decline, as noted. There's still a surprising amount of industrial work around, if you can get excited about photographing heavy machinery. Fashion photographers go in and out of fashion. Car photography in the studio can apparently still pay OK, and so (I am told) can furniture. And glamour. But specialization is the key to most professional photography, and ANYTHING can get boring if you do too much of it.
2 Do whatever you damn' well please, and live on very little, often with part-time Mcjobs to help with the cash flow. Many of the best photographers I have ever met have chosen this approach. I know one -- much exhibited, lauded, published, prize-winning -- who has been known to work as a cinema usherette in order to pay for her phtographic habit.
3 Remain an amateur, and work at something else for a living.
The chances of fame and fortune are about equal for all three, though the third is probably a more reliable route to fortune if not fame.
And if you can't afford good kit now, what are you going to use when you start out as a professional? Professional kit is taken for granted, horribly expensive though it is.
Cheers,
R.
The chances of making a good living at photography are slender, and plenty quit when they don't make enough to live on. As Mike says, there's a lot of administration and cash flow can be more interesting than you would like.
There are basically three options:
1 Work your arse off taking boring pictures for boring people. Honestly, that's what the vast majority of professional photography is. Advertising in the 70s was OK when there was lots of money and wine around but I'd not want to do it nowadays. Weddings are probably on the decline, as noted. There's still a surprising amount of industrial work around, if you can get excited about photographing heavy machinery. Fashion photographers go in and out of fashion. Car photography in the studio can apparently still pay OK, and so (I am told) can furniture. And glamour. But specialization is the key to most professional photography, and ANYTHING can get boring if you do too much of it.
2 Do whatever you damn' well please, and live on very little, often with part-time Mcjobs to help with the cash flow. Many of the best photographers I have ever met have chosen this approach. I know one -- much exhibited, lauded, published, prize-winning -- who has been known to work as a cinema usherette in order to pay for her phtographic habit.
3 Remain an amateur, and work at something else for a living.
The chances of fame and fortune are about equal for all three, though the third is probably a more reliable route to fortune if not fame.
And if you can't afford good kit now, what are you going to use when you start out as a professional? Professional kit is taken for granted, horribly expensive though it is.
Cheers,
R.
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bene
Established
Thanks Roger. It Echos don't quit your day job in a good way. Keeps me grounded.
Pickett Wilson
Veteran
"Thanks for the reality check! But, its something i wish to try a least for 1 yr but i am still far from it =)."
Forget professional photography. Something you want to try at least for a year? Forget toying at professional photography! Unless you are committed to it and unless there is nothing else you want to do with your life, you aren't going to make it.
In the second decade of the 21st century, you are unlikely to make a living as a professional photographer. If you do, you are unlikely to make a very good living. You will have to work incredibly hard every day. Every day. You will have to make great sacrifices. It's got to be worth everything to you.
It's also the greatest job in the world. But, if you can be happy doing anything else, do something else. There are too many poseurs with expensive equipment calling themselves professionals.
Forget professional photography. Something you want to try at least for a year? Forget toying at professional photography! Unless you are committed to it and unless there is nothing else you want to do with your life, you aren't going to make it.
In the second decade of the 21st century, you are unlikely to make a living as a professional photographer. If you do, you are unlikely to make a very good living. You will have to work incredibly hard every day. Every day. You will have to make great sacrifices. It's got to be worth everything to you.
It's also the greatest job in the world. But, if you can be happy doing anything else, do something else. There are too many poseurs with expensive equipment calling themselves professionals.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
You're welcome. Here's a further thought: see if you can get a job as an assistant in an advertising studio, for a few months or yes, even a year, instead of a BFA. The pay will be lousy; you'll have to sweep the floor and paint out the cove and find Christmas decorations in July and lots more, but you won't need your own equipment and you can see how you like it. That's how I started. But as you probably know, although I've done plenty of purely photographic jobs (where I was paid for pics only) the main way I keep my head above water is by writing as well as taking pictures -- and that's been pretty precarious at times.
I'll echo the argument that the only reason to be a photographer is that you can't really imagine doing anything else.
Cheers,
R.
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payasam
a.k.a. Mukul Dube
You'll find yourself doing many things you don't like and only a couple that you love, sometimes none at all. A year is too short a period. No one can become a good and successful photographer - or house painter or concert pianist - in that time.
Chris101
summicronia
Oh geez. Being a professional photographer just means that you take pictures that other people want for money.
bene
Established
Ever so often I comeback to this thread to ground myself to reality.
But Mr Hicks'
2 Do whatever you damn' well please, and live on very little, often with part-time Mcjobs to help with the cash flow. Many of the best photographers I have ever met have chosen this approach. I know one -- much exhibited, lauded, published, prize-winning -- who has been known to work as a cinema usherette in order to pay for her phtographic habit.
has become an attractive option that I might take.
I am curious how far my "passion" for photography will last.
I won't use the term professional photographer. But a serious amateur seem more appropriate.
I plan to use the 3 month break (coming june to sept) to document my native city.
comments above have been helpful thanks.
But Mr Hicks'
2 Do whatever you damn' well please, and live on very little, often with part-time Mcjobs to help with the cash flow. Many of the best photographers I have ever met have chosen this approach. I know one -- much exhibited, lauded, published, prize-winning -- who has been known to work as a cinema usherette in order to pay for her phtographic habit.
has become an attractive option that I might take.
I am curious how far my "passion" for photography will last.
I won't use the term professional photographer. But a serious amateur seem more appropriate.
I plan to use the 3 month break (coming june to sept) to document my native city.
comments above have been helpful thanks.
Vince Lupo
Whatever
One of the big problems with BFA programs is that they don't offer anything about how to be a professional photographer -- how do you build a portfolio and your business, how do you approach clients, how to retain clients, how to price things, how to make sure you're making enough money etc -- really, things that go way beyond the 'FA' in that 'BFA'. Plus, many of the teachers in these schools either have never been professional photographers, or they've been out of it for so long that their knowledge and experience can't be applied to what's going on today in the professional photography world.
My undergrad school offered a 'BAA', which was a Bachelor of Applied Arts, which I thought was much more useful than a BFA. We did have some more commercially oriented assignments and classes, as well as some business-related courses, so that definitely helped in both the short and long run.
There is much more to being a professional photographer than 'doing what you love', and unfortunately some of these schools still don't get it.
My undergrad school offered a 'BAA', which was a Bachelor of Applied Arts, which I thought was much more useful than a BFA. We did have some more commercially oriented assignments and classes, as well as some business-related courses, so that definitely helped in both the short and long run.
There is much more to being a professional photographer than 'doing what you love', and unfortunately some of these schools still don't get it.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Vince,
Well, you know the other thing that 'FA' stands for, apart from 'Fanny Adams'.
Seriously, you must surely be something between 50% and 100% right, depending on the BFA programme.
Cheers,
R.
Vince Lupo
Whatever
I guess the 'FA' could also be the same for an MFA???
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Play becomes work ... and suddenly it's not quite as much fun!
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Vince,
And of course Sweet FA.
Unseen University in Ankh-Morpork awarded a Doctorem Adamus cum Flabello Dulci, or Doctorate of Sweet Fanny Adams.
Cheers,
R.
And of course Sweet FA.
Unseen University in Ankh-Morpork awarded a Doctorem Adamus cum Flabello Dulci, or Doctorate of Sweet Fanny Adams.
Cheers,
R.
MatthewThompson
Well-known
Diversify. Make sure you can do a few things passably well in addition to being great at a couple. 75% of my year has absolutely nothing to do with gear and shooting and models and weddings. It's a grind on the best of weeks, but doable if you're a person of reasonable flexibility.
edit: it certainly helps to have a S.O. with stable income for the inevitable dry weeks/months, not to mention a cheerleader for the times when you're pretty sure you're kidding yourself about what you chose to do with your life.
edit: it certainly helps to have a S.O. with stable income for the inevitable dry weeks/months, not to mention a cheerleader for the times when you're pretty sure you're kidding yourself about what you chose to do with your life.
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mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
That is a very important point. Whether I really could make a living as a photographer or not is one thing. (I'm not sure, but I know people in the business who have seen some of my stuff - especially event-oriented stuff that I don't put on the web - who tell me that I might.)
I also know I'd have to take an income hit by giving up my day job. That's a big thing when you've had a former partner take custody of the money (such as it was) and had a hit from the Great Flippin' Global Financial Crisis (as I have). So, best case, if I decided to give it a shot it wouldn't be for a while (essentially until I could live for a year with little-to-no income, which might have been possible in the past but isn't happening for a while now).
But that's a bit of a moot point. Photography is what I do to get away from my day job. I like what I do well enough. I'm actually pretty good at it - which is it's own reward. But it is work, and that does knock the gloss off it. Things I used to do out of enthusiasm simply go un-done these days: if I need to know that professionally, then I'll learn it - but I simply couldn't be stuffed learning for the joy of knowing or doing. Not if I don't get paid for it.
Photography I treat differently.
I am interested, and I do it for the sheer joy of learning and knowing and doing. I think I'd like to keep it that way, and use the day job to be jaded but income-earning. Which I like well enough, but can no longer be truly enthusiastic about.
That enthusiasm I reserve for photography and a couple of other things - and I think I prefer to keep it that way.
...Mike
Bike Tourist
Well-known
"What does it mean to be a professional photographer?"
At this point in time? It means you have chosen to compete with the bride's cousin with a digital SLR, random people with cell phones, microstock agencies, photo forums where people hope you will like their pictures well enough to use them for free in a background where media is continually being cheapened and democratized.
You could be a pro photographer or front a rock band or write a great novel or have your painting displayed in the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Choose your poison.
At this point in time? It means you have chosen to compete with the bride's cousin with a digital SLR, random people with cell phones, microstock agencies, photo forums where people hope you will like their pictures well enough to use them for free in a background where media is continually being cheapened and democratized.
You could be a pro photographer or front a rock band or write a great novel or have your painting displayed in the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Choose your poison.
Pickett Wilson
Veteran
"At this point in time? It means you have chosen to compete with the bride's cousin with a digital SLR"
That was really brought home to me when I did a workshop for "beginning photographers" a few weeks ago. I expected a few folks with digital P&S cameras. What I got was a good number of moms and dads sporting brand new Canon 5DII's and Nikon D300's, a gaggle of L lenses, etc, several who had already shot wedding for pay!!!!! Now they wanted to learn a little more about photography. Had to pitch my planned workshop and wing it with them.
Modern times. You might not can buy talent yet, but it doesn't seem to take talent (or even basic knowledge of photography) to make money from photography.
That was really brought home to me when I did a workshop for "beginning photographers" a few weeks ago. I expected a few folks with digital P&S cameras. What I got was a good number of moms and dads sporting brand new Canon 5DII's and Nikon D300's, a gaggle of L lenses, etc, several who had already shot wedding for pay!!!!! Now they wanted to learn a little more about photography. Had to pitch my planned workshop and wing it with them.
Modern times. You might not can buy talent yet, but it doesn't seem to take talent (or even basic knowledge of photography) to make money from photography.