magnus.frank
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Maybe I'm too much nostalgic..I'm dreaming about a digital M without display and buttons but with old shutter and advance lever..the only change is the M9 sensor in place of film.
Why not?
Why not?
A little dream..
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ruby.monkey
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Why not? Because nobody would buy it? You'd be throwing away some of the main benefits of a digital body, and adding pointless cruft that really only belongs on a museum piece.
Kolame
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The advance leather is integrated in the RD-1 😉 The rest isn’t.
magnus.frank
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Ruby, sure, nobody would buy it.. in my opinion the only real benefit of a digital body is the sensor in place of film..all the other gadgets are wasted time and absent mindedness.
Kolame, advance leather ??
Ebino, dream on !
Kolame, advance leather ??
Ebino, dream on !
robert blu
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I (sometimes) think like Magnus.Frank : we could still have possibility to change iso from one shot to the next one, we could improve (!) the picture with PP, share it and the other benefit of the digital capture. Of course I imagine (I do not yet own a digital camera) that we can always switch off the display...
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ruby.monkey
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User-variable ISO and instant image review are two major benefits of a digital body that spring immediately to mind. The desire for a wind-on lever, on the other hand, is a sign that either the shutter mechanism or the body's ergonomics (or both) are sadly lacking.
MCTuomey
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I'm with Robert. The M8/9 is a fairly simple camera compared to current dSLRs. You can turn off instant review, determine exposure & white balance manually, focus as you like. Make all the decisions. That's practically as close to a non-electronic M body as one can get in digital RF capture. No, an M8/9 doesn't feel completely like a film M with auto shutter cocking and a bit larger body. But it's close enough to the spirit of M shooting, in my opinion.
ferider
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Would you buy it at the price of an M9 ? Or is your dream really about a more affordable M9 with gaffer tape covering the screen ? 🙂
leicashot
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Yes I miss the advanced lever the most, followed by the thinned MP profile.
The automated film advance should be an option, for those that are lazy and prefer loud silly noises.
The automated film advance should be an option, for those that are lazy and prefer loud silly noises.
robklurfield
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Leica probably could sell this and, if they did, they could probably charge a premium for it.
think of Porsche taking a Carrera, removing the air conditioning, radio, power windows, sound-proofing, undercoating, etc. Calling it a limited edition (which, it was). The 1987-89 Club Sport. If memory serves, I think it went for about a 20% or so premium over the plain jane Carrera. Yes, the engine was blueprinted and there were a few other doo-dads, but this car did not put out more horsepower. It was less car for more money. And, I don't recollect Porsche having any trouble selling all 300+ of them.
Of course, cars aren't cameras and Leica won't do this. But, they could.
think of Porsche taking a Carrera, removing the air conditioning, radio, power windows, sound-proofing, undercoating, etc. Calling it a limited edition (which, it was). The 1987-89 Club Sport. If memory serves, I think it went for about a 20% or so premium over the plain jane Carrera. Yes, the engine was blueprinted and there were a few other doo-dads, but this car did not put out more horsepower. It was less car for more money. And, I don't recollect Porsche having any trouble selling all 300+ of them.
Of course, cars aren't cameras and Leica won't do this. But, they could.
Kolame
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Um, sorry, I’m German, of course I meant „advance lever“, which can be found at the Epsons 😉
Have you ever used a Digital camera without an LCD and Menu system?
I have.
The M8 is much more convenient, and keeps it simple. The Olympus EP2- spent most of my time getting rid of "stuff".
On the shutter: The DCS100 was done using a Nikon F3 body with horizontal travel shutter with titanium curtains. Leica would have to use non-cloth curtains, but certainly a horizontal shutter could be done. The Sync speed would be lower, and the top shutter speed would be 1/2000th.
I have.
The M8 is much more convenient, and keeps it simple. The Olympus EP2- spent most of my time getting rid of "stuff".
On the shutter: The DCS100 was done using a Nikon F3 body with horizontal travel shutter with titanium curtains. Leica would have to use non-cloth curtains, but certainly a horizontal shutter could be done. The Sync speed would be lower, and the top shutter speed would be 1/2000th.
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Joop van Heijgen
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Digital does not only replaces film for a sensor but give you a complete different kind of camera!
That's for me the main reason that I'am still shooting with film😎
I don' t like the workflow of a digital camera.
A digital (leica) camera never feels like a film camera, special the film M Leica's😉
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film is exciting
Not to go off topic here, ditching all of those creature comforts should have lightened the Club Sport cars. The blueprinted engine is also a significant cost increase.
Blueprinting and balancing is an awful lot of finite machining to get everything just right and good machinists don't come cheap. I think this is where that extra 20% comes in.
IIRC it supposedly had a tuned suspension, it was basically a showroom stock class car.
They offer a similar car today -- the GT2 and GT3 which are astronomically expensive racecars with just enough stuff to make them street legal.
Steve_F
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I agree entirely. I once had the same idea for my Nikon FM3A.
A sensor (full-frame). ISO adjusted just like the film camera. A sensor that only shoots RAW/NEF & ships with Nikon Capture NX2.
Why on earth not? My D3 stays on NEF 'Neutral' and I make the decision on the Colour Mode in NX2, frame by frame or batch if all together. I don't need to review every frame. I avoid it on the D3 and can't on the FM3A, M6TTL or RZ67.
Steve.
magnus.frank
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Yes, I was thinking about a digital M with more affordable price than the M9, nearer to the M film spirit, built like a tank and ready to action, without plaything feel, something you could handle without fear and with confidence..in a word, a professional tool. I believe the M9 is a great camera but a little bit too far from professional photojournalistic use. What I regret is the original Bauhaus spirit.
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robklurfield
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To continue off-topic: I didn't mean to suggest that the 1980's Club Sport wasn't worth the extra scratch -- it almost certainly was given, as you said, the high labor cost involved with a balanced & blueprinted power plant. So, right you are on that.
To get back on topic: I do think this could be a useful, though almost certainly unlikely model for Leica. My guess is that it willl never happen. If this can get ridiculous money for the M9t, I imagine they could do the same with a "Club Sport" M9. Black paint that rubs off real easily. A screw a la the M2/M3/M4/MP, instead of the red dot. No screen. Old-fashioned vulcanite. Sounds like an extra $5000-10,000. And, I'm sure it would sell out instantly.
To get back on topic: I do think this could be a useful, though almost certainly unlikely model for Leica. My guess is that it willl never happen. If this can get ridiculous money for the M9t, I imagine they could do the same with a "Club Sport" M9. Black paint that rubs off real easily. A screw a la the M2/M3/M4/MP, instead of the red dot. No screen. Old-fashioned vulcanite. Sounds like an extra $5000-10,000. And, I'm sure it would sell out instantly.
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mgd711
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There’s 2 things I don’t like about the digital M’s...
1. The thicker profile
2. The lack of film advance/shutter cocking lever
as previously mentioned, the screen can be turned off.
1. The thicker profile
2. The lack of film advance/shutter cocking lever
as previously mentioned, the screen can be turned off.
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