boojum
Ignoble Miscreant
Do we then ignore photographers whose work deals with these topics? Like you, I'm not interested in photographers who want to lecture me about their private tastes. But I'm very interested in photographers for whom nothing human is foreign, and who seek to understand the full spectrum of human behavior. We engage with the world through photography to understand it and to share that understanding (always provisional and partial) with others. This is, or should be, a place where we explore what it means to be a photographer, and by extension, a human being. Personally, I'd like to see more sex, politics, and religion involved in our discussions of photography and its engagement with the world. I like cameras, sure, but if RFF were to insist that cameras are all I should or could talk about here, I'd leave in disgust. And I think that a fair number of members may have indeed left over time because they were bored with the tendency to keep it light and keep it safe.
You are just looking for an argument. I have better things to do with my time.
Dogman
Veteran
"Personally, I'd like to see more sex, politics, and religion involved in our discussions of photography and its engagement with the world."
That would be great. Except you always get the True Believers involved who turn such a discussion into a screaming shit-fit. I try to avoid such discussions for that reason.
Moonbeams, rainbows and daisies...utopian bliss.😇😎🤪
That would be great. Except you always get the True Believers involved who turn such a discussion into a screaming shit-fit. I try to avoid such discussions for that reason.
Moonbeams, rainbows and daisies...utopian bliss.😇😎🤪
Rikard
Established
As long as the discussions center around the photographic aspects of those things there shouldn't really be a problem I guess."Personally, I'd like to see more sex, politics, and religion involved in our discussions of photography and its engagement with the world."
That would be great. Except you always get the True Believers involved who turn such a discussion into a screaming shit-fit. I try to avoid such discussions for that reason.
Moonbeams, rainbows and daisies...utopian bliss.😇😎🤪
Rikard
Established
As long as the discussions center around the photographic aspects of those things there shouldn't really be a problem I guess."Personally, I'd like to see more sex, politics, and religion involved in our discussions of photography and its engagement with the world."
That would be great. Except you always get the True Believers involved who turn such a discussion into a screaming shit-fit. I try to avoid such discussions for that reason.
Moonbeams, rainbows and daisies...utopian bliss.😇😎🤪
EDIT: I wanted to attach a picture. This one I think is one of Ralph Gibson's best. I love ambiguous photos.
Is she leaving or coming back? Either way she seems hesitant. Her mind obviously occupied elsewhere.

Dogman
Veteran
That's the late, great Mary Ellen Mark. Whichever way she was going was the right way.
Great photo.
Gibson was hitting his stride about the time I became interested in photography--early 70s. His work was--and is--landmark to me.
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Great photo.
Gibson was hitting his stride about the time I became interested in photography--early 70s. His work was--and is--landmark to me.
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Retro-Grouch
Veteran
And what's so terrible about a civilized disagreement? Adults can do that. They don't walk away when their ideas are challenged.You are just looking for an argument. I have better things to do with my time.
Brambling
Well-known
Brambling
Well-known
And if we talk about little-known ones - I used to, in the 20th century, really like to look at family albums and examine the details.
I think that the janitor and the servants in Dostoevsky could tell stories more interesting than the writer.
But I did not remember the pictures, did not write them down in binary code, although each frame fell like a grain of sand in this hourglass.
I think that the janitor and the servants in Dostoevsky could tell stories more interesting than the writer.
But I did not remember the pictures, did not write them down in binary code, although each frame fell like a grain of sand in this hourglass.
oldhaven
Well-known
Very nice thought. I feel like this with the thousands of books I have read or things I have seen and heard over the years. Most I do not remember, but they have shaped my life as much as my most vivid remembrances. I really like the image of grains of sand adding to the pile in the hourglass. It makes me wonder if anyone ever gets his hourglass turned over when the grains stop falling.although each frame fell like a grain of sand in this hourglass.
boojum
Ignoble Miscreant
And what's so terrible about a civilized disagreement? Adults can do that. They don't walk away when their ideas are challenged.
I am sure you believe what you say.
Brambling
Well-known
Oh no!Very nice thought. I feel like this with the thousands of books I have read or things I have seen and heard over the years. Most I do not remember, but they have shaped my life as much as my most vivid remembrances. I really like the image of grains of sand adding to the pile in the hourglass. It makes me wonder if anyone ever gets his hourglass turned over when the grains stop falling.
This is a one-sided watch, my personal impressions and associations, they will turn over and crumble only when I am finished.
And I would really like my activity to give at least two or three grains of sand to another person...
Brambling
Well-known



But perhaps it will be interesting to look here and then read about those photographers about whom you have heard or knew little, due to the same policy))) mentioned above))))
Brambling
Well-known
Brambling
Well-known
Coldkennels
Barnack-toting Brit.
Alexander Rodchenko has been a favourite of mine for a long time. Very exciting artist and photographer - the photo of the woman shouting on the left is iconic.View attachment 4844704 View attachment 4844705 View attachment 4844706
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I hope you will find a way to translate
Here's some of his most well-known shots: 10 iconic photos of Rodchenko, one of the Russian avant-garde legends
He was a big fan of unusual angles and compositions; one of his most famous is probably "girl with a Leica", but I've always been a fan of this one:

Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
I have Karsh's book, where it is described. For portraits he was going as scheduled, he would get as much info about person and ask this person accordingly to light up.I heard the story behind this portrait and have no reason to doubt it. Apparently the photographer tried to persuade Churchill to lose the cigar - he refused. Just prior to this image being taken the photographer strode up and snatched the stogie. Hence the belligerent look.
*edit* Just realised this is all explained in the attachment. Jumping the gun again. ;-)
Dogman
Veteran
Brambling, thank you for introducing me to these photographers. I've also been aware of Rodchenko but not the others. I'm now on a quest to correct that.
Brambling
Well-known
In my personal opinion, I can highlight such periods and episodes in the history of Russian and Soviet photography -Brambling, thank you for introducing me to these photographers. I've also been aware of Rodchenko but not the others. I'm now on a quest to correct that.
1. before 1915 - artistic setting, beautiful on the wall
2. 1915 - 1930 - documents about new construction by new people
3. 1930-1950 - military theme, everything is complicated and difficult
4. 1950 - 1980 - new things come again.
5. 1980 - 1995 - we criticize the new, the old, we criticize everything
and everything goes into the oven.
6. Instagram - well, everyone is already a witness)))
A very separate, but very interesting story with Czechoslovak and other Eastern European photographs.
Retro-Grouch
Veteran
I can't translate the text, but good photos need no translation!View attachment 4844704 View attachment 4844705 View attachment 4844706
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I hope you will find a way to translate
ecowarrior
Established
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