New, Improved Kodak Vision 3 film..Goodbye Remjet.

[Mackinaw]

Looks like Kodak has made a significant change to Vision 3 movie films. No more remjet layer.

Kodak Vision 3 film has been 'redesigned', and it turns out to be a quiet revolution

Eastman Kodak has been hard at work making what might seem to be a minor change to its Vision 3 film stock. Except that, what seems to be minor actually turns out to be quite major.

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Jim B.

 

[analoged]

They also made it more difficult to buy 400' 35mm rolls

 

[splitimageview]

That’s pretty major. They must have worked closely with Hollywood to ensure a consistent look. I still have some short ends I got from a source in LA that needs to be spooled.

 

[sojournerphoto]

That sounds good - I’ve got a bag of CD-3 ECN2 developing agent in the cupboard

 

[jbielikowski]

While it was not a popular news I think it's really huge, you can finally drop your Vision3 in any one hour lab and have excellent results in C-41.





250D, Canon 35/2 LTM

 

[bucs]

While it was not a popular news I think it's really huge, you can finally drop your Vision3 in any one hour lab and have excellent results in C-41.

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250D, Canon 35/2 LTM

Nice photos! Where does one get 35mmX36exp of this stuff?

 

[Freakscene]

Nice photos! Where does one get 35mmX36exp of this stuff?

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[sojournerphoto]

Also available in 400ft and 1,000ft rolls - labelled motion picture only.

 

[Freakscene]

Also available in 400ft and 1,000ft rolls - labelled motion picture only.

To buy Kodak cinema film directly from Kodak now, you need to be a professional film production company and/or demonstrate that the film is for a specific movie project. They no longer sell large quantities of motion picture film to individuals for bulk loading or still photography use. This was inevitable. Several stores here in Australia told me that they sold 10-20 times as much 5222 XX as Tri-X over the last few years. That's not economically sustainable for Kodak, particularly given that the film was usually rolled by third parties.

 

[kxl]

Welcome news for photographers, but...

• I thought the purpose of remjet was to protect the film dirt, scratches, and static electricity buildup within the camera, in addition to light halation when filming (i.e., cinema, not photography). Those risks do not magically disappear for filmmakers.
• Kodak stopped selling to consumers some time back, and today only sells Vision3 to production companies. But this move seems to be more beneficial to photographers than filmmakers. Does that mean Kodak may once again start selling Vision3 to consumers? That would be welcome news indeed. Of the Vision3 films, I shoot 5219T, 5207D and less frequently, 5203D

 

[d_c]

Welcome news for photographers, but...

• I thought the purpose of remjet was to protect the film dirt, scratches, and static electricity buildup within the camera, in addition to light halation when filming (i.e., cinema, not photography). Those risks do not magically disappear for filmmakers.
• ...

The updated film structure still has an Anti-Static Protective Layer on the back but it isn't something that needs to be removed in processing and so is still present later on to assist with scanning, etc.

I suspect that it will be some time before the new stock has worked its way through the system such that consumers can be sure that they're buying respools of the new film, and such that labs will be happy to put cine film through their C41 line due to the risk of older stock with Remjet being introduced by mistake. Kodak still seem to be saying that ECN-2 is the correct processing setup presumably to deal with that risk.

 

[kxl]

The updated film structure still has an Anti-Static Protective Layer on the back but it isn't something that needs to be removed in processing and so is still present later on to assist with scanning, etc.

I suspect that it will be some time before the new stock has worked its way through the system such that consumers can be sure that they're buying respools of the new film, and such that labs will be happy to put cine film through their C41 line due to the risk of older stock with Remjet being introduced by mistake. Kodak still seem to be saying that ECN-2 is the correct processing setup presumably to deal with that risk.

The move just seems "photographer-friendly," which seems contradictory to the notion that Kodak wanted to limit use of Vision3 to filmmaking--which I believed was the reason they stopped selling directly to consumers.

 

[jbielikowski]

in Europe you can have it in 36exp for example here: film - 35mmdealer

Also I know couple people that bulk roll and sell so probably if you search local photo groups on FB etc you should be able to find someone.
It's not that hard to buy this stuff, and it was never very easy (unless you work in film industry then you can grab 400ft in your local rental house from the fridge).

I wonder what will happen with Cinestill in a long run, for sure they have tons of master rolls but the AHU version lacks their signature look - halations caused by remjet pre-removed.
Kodak was working on AHU for more than a decade, do they decided to do it because of the Cinestill success or they dumped them the surplus so they can start selling AHU once finished?

 

[bensyverson]

Is their agreement with Alaris coming up for renewal? Between AHU and the release of film under the Eastman Kodak brand, it seems like Kodak is making some moves that could allow for an easy split from Alaris.

 

[kxl]

Is their agreement with Alaris coming up for renewal? Between AHU and the release of film under the Eastman Kodak brand, it seems like Kodak is making some moves that could allow for an easy split from Alaris.

One can only hope... Alaris is now owned (since 2024) by Kingswood Capital Management, an LA based private equity firm, so they have probably squeezed out the $$$ that they're interested in. Like you said, Eastman may be making some moves in line with now selling Gold and Ultramax directly to distributors and retailers (at least in the US and Canada) rather than going through Alaris.

 

[bucs]

in Europe you can have it in 36exp for example here: film - 35mmdealer

Also I know couple people that bulk roll and sell so probably if you search local photo groups on FB etc you should be able to find someone.
It's not that hard to buy this stuff, and it was never very easy (unless you work in film industry then you can grab 400ft in your local rental house from the fridge).

I wonder what will happen with Cinestill in a long run, for sure they have tons of master rolls but the AHU version lacks their signature look - halations caused by remjet pre-removed.
Kodak was working on AHU for more than a decade, do they decided to do it because of the Cinestill success or they dumped them the surplus so they can start selling AHU once finished?

Thanks! Hope to find them in the US too. Cinestill’s respooled rolls are NOT the AHU version.

I’m not a fan of the “look” where highlights turn red so I’m looking forward to using this AHU version.

 

[valdas]

I bought two 100ft bulk rolls of this new 250D from Helsinki film and gear company. They said it is difficult to get from Kodak at this stage, but they hope this will improve. The price of bulk rolls is very competitive, I might switch completely to this emulsion in the future.

 

[Freakscene]

I bought two 100ft bulk rolls of this new 250D from Helsinki film and gear company. They said it is difficult to get from Kodak at this stage, but they hope this will improve. The price of bulk rolls is very competitive, I might switch completely to this emulsion in the future.

Do you have access to ECN-2 processing or do you plan to develop it in C41.

 

[valdas]

Do you have access to ECN-2 processing or do you plan to develop it in C41.

C41. I tried Bellini ECN-2, but honestly, I liked C41 better. Maybe there was something wrong with that particular Bellini kit, although it was fresh.

 

[jbielikowski]

Those are raw scans from V850&SilverFast, 250D in C-41, IMO it's better than Portra. Plus I believe in C-41 you get better sensitivity, that's why there is CineStill 400D and 800T not 250D and 500T.