Ai silliness is taking over the internet

[valdas]

That's relevant if one gives legitimacy to news reports, which are simply regurgitating government claims. The French and EU have not made it a secret they do not like not being able to censor.

The X algorithm is open source, it's on github.

So, is moderation also called censorship?

 

[splitimageview]

Assuming you're referring to RFF moderation, the policies established by the site owner specifically moderate tone and conduct, not viewpoints. Enforcement of community standards is not censorship. For further clarification you can speak to the current mods (@Timmyjoe, @BillBingham2 ) or the site owner @CameraQuest .

This topic regarding AI created images is relevant; other AI-related topics may be outside the scope of the forum.

 

[valdas]

Assuming you're referring to RFF moderation, the policies established by the site owner specifically moderate tone and conduct, not viewpoints. Enforcement of community standards is not censorship. For further clarification you can speak to the current mods (@Timmyjoe, @BillBingham2 ) or the site owner @CameraQuest .

This topic regarding AI created images is relevant; other AI-related topics may be outside the scope of the forum.

Then ensuring safety in public spaces, like social media (what EU is trying to do) is also not cencorship. Lies, hate speech and nudity of minors are not viewpoints.

 

[splitimageview]

The counter arguments are that these claims are just pretexts. Valid questions have been raised, such as where are the raids of Alphabet, Tik Tok and Meta who have also been part of so-called 'deep fake' scandals, among others? Some of these claims also originate from organizations with specific campaign agendas ("Center for Countering Digital Hate" to name one.)

In any case this is getting pretty far off the topic.

 

[valdas]

The counter arguments are that these claims are just pretexts. Valid questions have been raised, such as where are the raids of Alphabet, Tik Tok and Meta who have also been part of so-called 'deep fake' scandals, among others? Some of these claims also originate from organizations with specific campaign agendas ("Center for Countering Digital Hate" to name one.)

In any case this is getting pretty far off the topic.

X is not alone. Pavel Dirov (telegram owner) was arrested in France, also Meta and Apple were fined several times (reasons might differ case by case):

EU hits Apple and Meta with €700m of fines

The tech giants have reacted with fury, accusing the EU of unfairly pursuing US companies.

www.bbc.com

 

[splitimageview]

True. And two years later, nothing has come from that.

Intimidation tactics?

 

[valdas]

True. And two years later, nothing has come from that.

Intimidation tactics?

It would be too much of the deviation from the topic, I’d better not discuss the personality of Durov or I won’t be able to stay within the community guidelines 🙂 Let’s say - my and his definition of freedom are very different. And most of Europeans would not agree with him (it is my opinion, I did not conduct any representative survey).

 

[splitimageview]

Considering no other country has raided corporate offices or arrested CEOs, like him or not, it's hard to disagree.

Agreed, this has gone too far off topic. 🙂

 

[fdu]

Then, why Tiktok was banned and then sold to Oracle ?

 

[splitimageview]

That's easy to look up (and not related to this topic.)

 

[fub]

Then, why Tiktok was banned and then sold to Oracle ?

because social media apps are psy-ops and they who hold the status quo of course want to control all the psy-ops too.

 

[Timmyjoe]

So, is moderation also called censorship?

When I was a kid growing up in the early 1960's we were taught that there were two things you never discussed in "polite company", Politics & Religion.

I can only speak for myself, but I couldn't care less what your political beliefs are, what your religious beliefs are, whether you're pro-this or anti-that. But I ask you to consider RFF as "Polite Company".

Nobody is trying to censor you, or tell you what is an acceptable belief or not. We're just asking you to take that conversation elsewhere (there are social media platforms that make millions of dollars encouraging people to fight over religious and political beliefs, so there is no shortage of places to vent).

Here on RFF, we don't want anyone to feel excluded in discussing rangefinder photography, or photography in general on this site.

So let's keep the political or religious commentary somewhere else.

Thanks.

Best,
-Tim

 

[valdas]

When I was a kid growing up in the early 1960's we were taught that there were two things you never discussed in "polite company", Politics & Religion.

I can only speak for myself, but I couldn't care less what your political beliefs are, what your religious beliefs are, whether you're pro-this or anti-that. But I ask you to consider RFF as "Polite Company".

Nobody is trying to censor you, or tell you what is an acceptable belief or not. We're just asking you to take that conversation elsewhere (there are social media platforms that make millions of dollars encouraging people to fight over religious and political beliefs, so there is no shortage of places to vent).

Here on RFF, we don't want anyone to feel excluded in discussing rangefinder photography, or photography in general on this site.

So let's keep the political or religious commentary somewhere else.

Thanks.

Best,
-Tim

Agree, but I think politics were invited to the ring by the staff members…

 

[splitimageview]

Relating news reports isn't political advocacy.

 

[valdas]

Relating news reports isn't political advocacy.

But accusing EU of censorship probably is. It is not the factual information, it is an ideological position.

 

[Leon C]

Assuming you're referring to RFF moderation, the policies established by the site owner specifically moderate tone and conduct, not viewpoints. Enforcement of community standards is not censorship. For further clarification you can speak to the current mods (@Timmyjoe, @BillBingham2 ) or the site owner @CameraQuest .

This topic regarding AI created images is relevant; other AI-related topics may be outside the scope of the forum.

I'm not sure that some realise that any decent forum is a form of dictatorship and has to be to be functional to a decent level of communication, in the late 90s I was a Mod on a Forum whos subject matter was quite controversial and we had to be firm but brutal sometimes to keep the conversations civil, might seem wrong but it worked and the forum still exisits to this day because of the way it's ran and one of the mods has just retired after 20yrs, now aged 70, it's not as easy as some might think.

 

[splitimageview]

EU Commission pressuring social media is well-known, it's not an accusation, it's fact.

 

[Coldkennels]

EU Commission pressuring social media is well-known, it's not an accusation, it's fact.

The French and EU have not made it a secret they do not like not being able to censor.

That's not a fact. That's an accusation and a political statement.

There are real things to criticise governments on this side of the pond about vis-a-vie online matters (the British government's "online safety bill" is one giant gun-related self-imposed foot mutilation), but stepping in to penalise X for allowing the use of its GenAI tool to create fake nudes of real people (including children) isn't "censorship". It's enforcing widely accepted social norms and limiting very real harm.

Framing it as anything else is bringing ideologically-weighted political advocacy to the table.

 

[valdas]

EU Commission pressuring social media is well-known, it's not an accusation, it's fact.

Even if pressuring because of right reasons (to stop disinformation, hate speech etc)? I agree - pressuring is not an accusation. But cencorship is. The “censorship” narrative is basically the position of big tech which helps them to avoid accountability and used for the sole reason - to make more money, even if it comes from fraud, abuse, nudity, breach of privacy…And here we go political again 🙂

 

[splitimageview]

I would suggest doing further research on this off-topic tangent, as it is indeed factual, despite many who do not wish it to be so.

This topic is no longer about AI creating hilarious images of Leicas. 😛 So, getting back on track, here is a new contribution: