What happened to RFF ?? Maybe its me ?

[Socke]

and I just got about half mine back - I think they want me to shut up....😉

Yes, I'm late for the "Stammtisch".

 

[bcs89]

Yes, I'm late for the "Stammtisch".

is there a chair for me too?

 

[JimG]

most newscasts, to varying degrees, come frome the same"controlled "source no matter where you live on this planet.
we are all being "had" one way or another.

True, were being 'had' to some degree regardless of from what national source we get our news. But at least here in the U.S. we can now get 'had' internationally, not just from our own news media.

 

[ClaremontPhoto]

BTW, the expression "bug" is supposed to come from punching cards as well, apparently once there was an insect filling a card hole ...

Thank you.

And which US President was elected that time? When did we change 'bug' to 'hanging chad'?

I miss punched cards (and punched paper tape) too, so much has happened in forty years.

 

[RayPA]

I would disagree.

- 1623, Schickard (for Keppler): built a machine that could add, subtract, multiply and divide.
- 1674 Leibniz (also known for logarithm tables and the invention of the life insurance 🙂): builds machines for the same operations using binary number representations.
- 1838 Babbage: builds a machine that uses punching cards.

I miss punching cards ....

BTW, the expression "bug" is supposed to come from punching cards as well, apparently once there was an insect filling a card hole ...

R.

see now, I heard it supposedly came from a moth that got caught between the contacts of a relay, used in one of those humungous archaic room-size computers, used back in the days of punch cards.

I miss burnishing relays... 😉

of course, both or neither "myth" could be correct. I guess it depends on your relation to it. For example, I come from a hardware/fix-it background, while you appear to come from a programming background. 🙂

anyway... lunch is over. 🙂

 

[raid]

20 somethings. They're so fickle and teasing. Here's my wife's and she is proud to show it off as am I. She is 1 1/2 times as old as Jenni.

Well, guess what, here in Penscaola we have a whole station full of navals!
We have the Naval Air Station. They actually fly above ground!

 

[LOOP]

Bien , à mon avis ce forum est un des meilleurs ! Malheureusement uniquement en anglais. Un forum en français ou en italien serait plus "artistique" moins toucé par le matérialisme que véhicule l'anglais !

This Forum is still a good one, but only english speaking, so more on material, than art.
Arty feeling is french or italian. Sorry to say that. It is horrible to be obliged to accept english language domination.

Plus sérieusement, look at a Varex IIa and compare it to a Canon 350, even the camera now do not give you the same feeling. Respect to engineer makink VXIIa less for the one making Canon.... That is another reason for the bad feeling around photography these days ...

 

[xayraa33]

Bien , à mon avis ce forum est un des meilleurs ! Malheureusement uniquement en anglais. Un forum en français ou en italien serait plus "artistique" moins toucé par le matérialisme que véhicule l'anglais !

This Forum is still a good one, but only english speaking, so more on material, than art.
Arty feeling is french or italian. Sorry to say that. It is horrible to be obliged to accept english language domination.

Plus sérieusement, look at a Varex IIa and compare it to a Canon 350, even the camera now do not give you the same feeling. Respect to engineer makink VXIIa less for the one making Canon.... That is another reason for the bad feeling around photography these days ...

you have to thank the British Empire for the spread of the English tongue, now it really is the defacto lingua franca of the globe.

 

[ray_g]

my challenge to all who want change for the better - tell us what you see as a really great photo site.

it's easy to criticize...but rise to the standard that dmr has set and tell us, not what you want, but what you think a great site looks like.

and then help us build it.

jjoe

Some thoughts:

1. Consolidate the gear forums (done) and more photography forums - portraiture, landscape, street, color, black and white, candid, low light, lighting, etc.

2. Forums for reviewing / recommending photography blogs, book reviews.

3. Bring back the comment notification feature on the gallery

4. Critique forum. Pick a photo a week to critique. This could be a great learning experience not only for the information exchanged, but also since we all need to learn HOW to critique. This would be more meaningful and educational than getting a hundred "great shot" comments on the gallery.

 

[fitzihardwurshd]

It feels like this site has lost some of its earlier appeal...topics seem bland and tired...some of my favorite posters have left.....is it just summer dog days ? something else ? thoughts ?
thanks
Dan

I do not know what exactly is the difference compared to former times, but now this forum is what its members make it to be. And it has exactly the members it wants to have. The concept is strictly hardware based, a sorta private RF Ebay with a built-in hardware chat.

Of course there is a minority of members who feel that this not enuff for them, and from time to time somebody is causing excitement by saying it publicly.

No use to say it tho, the concept is as it is and so it attracts mainly hardware focussed folks , the list owner won't change the concept, it all runs perfectly as he wants it to run.

So puttin up threads like this will best case ( as it happens here) slip away into neutral meaningless after having been carefully torpedoed by small-talk blahah in one-line and chat-style OT posts, or it will end as one of the many overheated and finally closed and deleted posts.

So take from this forum what you find nice , and if you find it's too little and not worth to deal with simply go elsewhere, there are alternative places. To complain is a waste of time, you won't chaneg the owners idea of his forum.

These are my personal conclusions tho, you may have a different sight ?

Fitzi

 

[bcs89]

I do not know what exactly is the difference compared to former times, but now this forum is what its members make it to be. And it has exactly the members it wants to have. The concept is strictly hardware based, a sorta private RF Ebay with a built-in hardware chat.

Of course there is a minority of members who feel that this not enuff for them, and from time to time somebody is causing excitement by saying it publicly.

No use to say it tho, the concept is as it is and so it attracts mainly hardware focussed folks , the list owner won't change the concept, it all runs perfectly as he wants it to run.

So puttin up threads like this will best case ( as it happens here) slip away into neutral meaningless after having been carefully torpedoed by small-talk blahah in one-line and chat-style OT posts, or it will end as one of the many overheated and finally closed and deleted posts.

So take from this forum what you find nice , and if you find it's too little and not worth to deal with simply go elsewhere, there are alternative places. To complain is a waste of time, you won't chaneg the owners idea of his forum.

These are my personal conclusions tho, you may have a different sight ?

Fitzi

In all honesty - I wish you could have seen it as it was when I first saw it Fitzi. And I'm a newbie!


All things shall pass

 

[ray_g]

And BTW, I lost about 500 posts too?

 

[FrankS]

I don't think it's quite as bleak as you describe it, Fitzi. Are you a fan of Nietzsche? 😉

 

[Kim Coxon]

Hi Fitzi,
The dangers that you predict are very true. Much will depend on how folk treat the thread. The latter posts got a bit lighthearted once people had had they say but before that there was some good feedback in the thread. As a result, Jorge has made several changes. They may go as far as some would like but at least it is a step in the right direction.

Kim

I do not know what exactly is the difference compared to former times, but now this forum is what its members make it to be. And it has exactly the members it wants to have. The concept is strictly hardware based, a sorta private RF Ebay with a built-in hardware chat.

Of course there is a minority of members who feel that this not enuff for them, and from time to time somebody is causing excitement by saying it publicly.

No use to say it tho, the concept is as it is and so it attracts mainly hardware focussed folks , the list owner won't change the concept, it all runs perfectly as he wants it to run.

So puttin up threads like this will best case ( as it happens here) slip away into neutral meaningless after having been carefully torpedoed by small-talk blahah in one-line and chat-style OT posts, or it will end as one of the many overheated and finally closed and deleted posts.

So take from this forum what you find nice , and if you find it's too little and not worth to deal with simply go elsewhere, there are alternative places. To complain is a waste of time, you won't chaneg the owners idea of his forum.

These are my personal conclusions tho, you may have a different sight ?

Fitzi

 

[fitzihardwurshd]

I don't think it's quite as bleak as you describe it, Fitzi. Are you a fan of Nietzsche? 😉

Am I a masochistic influenced person?? This nuts old fartbag said:

"Wenn Du zum Weibe gehst, vergiss die Peitsche nicht ! " :bang:

For you, as a member of the "first generation", it must look even more dull I suppose.
You have helped to build the fabulous RFF Image with thousand of posts,as many others did, and now the image is there and the forum is over the hill , which imeans it is big enuff to look attractive for private and commercial sponsors.

That makes the old in-group of the founder generation beeing an superfluos element, doesn't it ? That's the way it always runs with forums, as far as I could observe it. And THAT is the real change here, not some technical details.

I'll take what I like, and leave the rest, which has gotten bigger tho during that short time since I joined 🙁


Fitzi.

 

[back alley]

'i love the smell of napalm in the morning'

let's get a little more optimistic fitzi.
we have made some changes, as people have suggested and possibly more on the way.
to compare this site with ebay is just ludicrous. they get more hits in an hour than we do all day.
we have a classified sure but that also was in response to members asking for it. it used to be a section of the whole forum but now it has it's own place.
that does not make us so bad, i think.

this site from the beginning was more gear oriented, made so by the members, and as it has grown so have the members. looking back, we talked more about canonets and oly 35 rc's than leica and contaxes but that changed as member's tastes and desires changes. also not a bad thing.

as has been said, we are a niche forum and if we can meet your needs that is fabulous and if we need more or something else, i'm sure we can find that too.

i am a member of several photo related forums and each meets a need.

i think things are looking up myself...

 

[bcs89]

Am I a masochistic influenced person?? This nuts old fartbag said:

"Wenn Du zum Weibe gehst, vergiss die Peitsche nicht ! " :bang:

For you, as a member of the "first generation", it must look even more dull I suppose.
You have helped to build the fabulous RFF Image with thousand of posts,as many others did, and now the image is there and the forum is over the hill , which imeans it is big enuff to look attractive for private and commercial sponsors.

That makes the old in-group of the founder generation beeing an superfluos element, doesn't it ? That's the way it always runs with forums, as far as I could observe it. And THAT is the real change here, not some technical details.

I'll take what I like, and leave the rest, which has gotten bigger tho during that short time since I joined 🙁


Fitzi.

So Cool!!!!!

Some person looking for a fight. And me with nothing to do!!!

OK you first, my mom's name is Joy, My dad's is Doug - and I'm German (born in America). That should be enough info for your first salvo - (this way you don't have to make anonymous "Old Timer" attacks).

Let's go!


---Edited to replace "Jerk" with "Person"
it was uncalled for.

 

[FrankS]

No, not a jerk at all! Fitzi is calling it like he sees it (this site), and that's fair.

 

[bcs89]

No, not a jerk at all! Fitzi is calling it like he sees it (this site), and that's fair.

Frank, I saw your post because I came back to tone down my post - "Jerk" was over the top and had more to do with something that happened here (Madison) just now than his post - but that is the only change I will make. It has something to do with his attitude (as I see it) it just seems nasty to me .

Again, IMHO

 

[dmr]

we have made some changes, as people have suggested and possibly more on the way.

Yes, and we, the users appreciate this! 🙂

I also just noticed the Photoshop-Darkroom-Film forum. I think this combination is a great start on what we've been requesting as a film forum. 🙂

Things like this do show us, the rank and file users, that the Powers That Be are listening.

to compare this site with ebay is just ludicrous.

If I may again speak very freely here ... Joe, there is a perception out here in net-land, and I'll be very surprised if you haven't heard it -- multiple times from multiple sources -- I sure have. There is the perception that Jorge wants to turn this site, as a whole, in the direction of being a commercial venture. The phrase "Mini-Ebay" keeps coming up in conversations about this.

Jorge, I'm not saying this is all bad, please keep reading. 🙂

they get more hits in an hour than we do all day.

This site -- and even what this site could be -- will never see the traffic or sales volume that Ebay does, and that's a Good Thing.

Jorge, if you want more of a Mini-Ebay, I say go4it!

Ebay needs some good clean competition! It's scam central! I know I'm preaching to the choir here. I'm afraid to use it anymore. They really are so big that they don't have the resources to adequately control the abuse.

If you want more of a sales and auction site, then do it and do it right. Start out by charging less than Ebay does, and let the user base here bootstrap the idea and pass the word. I think the chance is excellent to build on this as an opportunity to get the reputation as "The Clean Camera Sales or Auction Site!"

Then use the proceeds of such to fund the forum and gallery sides of the site, the use of which will grow. I can envision a commercial sales site and a user community centered site supporting each other quite well. The buzzword-compliant term here might be Synergy. 🙂

I'm not trying to tell you what to do, Jorge, but I sure get the perception (and others do too, I can cut-paste e-mail if you want) that you want something with a positive cash flow.

I can envision a win-win here if the cards are played right, and I think there's the chance to get what you want without alienating the user base.

i things are looking up myself...

Yes, I agree. Things seem to be a bit brighter here today. 🙂