Jamie123
Veteran
proenca said:
Oh , that's a bummer. Luckily my insurance pays for everything that gets stolen (they only deduct ca. $200 from the overall worth of whatever got stolen).
alan davus
Well-known
M6, M7, MP???. Maserati, Porsche, Ferrari???. Mmmmm! Tough choice.
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
Come on... you're drowning in a puddle. In your initial post you said you enjoyed the M7 and its having AE. And then you wonder if you'll be able to transition from it to fully manual... and yet you used a Nikon DSLR in manual mode.
If I were in your feet I'd buy the camera that makes me happy without any further ado. When I got my Leicas I knew I'd be giving up AE, so I practiced and, thanks to the wide shutterspeed selector dial in the M6TTL, I managed to get a decent exposure quickly enough when I needed it. Hence, if you had the M7 but you always wanted an MP, now is the time. Take the plunge and buy it.
I will always stay true to my M6TTLs. As KM-25 wrote above, I like mine because of the features they don't share with other camera bodies, and I have an SF20 that I use often enough as fill flash. Flash TTL is a great technology to have.
Have fun shopping!
If I were in your feet I'd buy the camera that makes me happy without any further ado. When I got my Leicas I knew I'd be giving up AE, so I practiced and, thanks to the wide shutterspeed selector dial in the M6TTL, I managed to get a decent exposure quickly enough when I needed it. Hence, if you had the M7 but you always wanted an MP, now is the time. Take the plunge and buy it.
I will always stay true to my M6TTLs. As KM-25 wrote above, I like mine because of the features they don't share with other camera bodies, and I have an SF20 that I use often enough as fill flash. Flash TTL is a great technology to have.
Have fun shopping!
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I'd say the M6 is more like an Audi Quattro, the M7 is a BMW 3, and the MP is a bit like ... oh, yeah, a Porsche 911?alan davus said:
A friend last week couldn't understand why I'd have "so many" Leicas. She then said: "It's like shoes!" I said: "yes, most people think of them that way; the difference is that I go out and play while I wear them, many have them sitting in the closet under a special light."
So my M6 is like an Audi Quattro that is used like an AMC Pacer. No fuzzy pink covering on the dashboard, though.
amateriat
We're all light!
Somewhere, Michèle Mouton is grinning...Gabriel M.A. said:I
So my M6 is like an Audi Quattro that is used like an AMC Pacer. No fuzzy pink covering on the dashboard, though.
- Barrett
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Innerimager
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here's how I worked out the issue of AE vs fully manual in my selections. I've just moved into film M's, coming proximally from the M8 which I LOVE, and prior from Nikon DSLR's. I grew up entirely in the digital, and AE world. I'm very used to thinking "manual exposure" with aperture AE and compensating. That's how I shoot the M8 90% of the time.
My introduction to film M's was shooting a friend's M5. Man...that's a manual exposure camera par excellence. Spot meter so no question what the camera is looking at, incredible analogue meter, huge shutter speed dial that allows accurate in-between the dents speeds which are shown in the finder. Wow. I haven't held an MP, but the analogue meter in itself of the M5 called to me saying "I am your totally manual camera." I found a banged up sample, fully tested for full function and shutter accuracy, and it's on the way for $575 !
But I won't use this as my primary film camera. It will be more for careful shooting, and to get the pleasure of the instrument. However I know that most of my use of a film camera will be like my digital shooting, faster paced, event/wedding work, street work, etc. I decided to get an M6 TTL, and it arrived last week. As soon as it came I realized I made a mistake. Nothing wrong at all with the camera. But in my real world context, in a bag with my M8, I saw that I wanted a film M that was as seamless a transition from my M8 as possible. I definitely will shoot them together. So, clearly, that's an M7 for me. Same meter, AE, same shutter dial direction. I'm exchanging the 6 for the 7 tomorrow. (0.85). So for me the MP vs M7 question was answered M7 + inexpensive M5. That's my version of the story! best...Peter
My introduction to film M's was shooting a friend's M5. Man...that's a manual exposure camera par excellence. Spot meter so no question what the camera is looking at, incredible analogue meter, huge shutter speed dial that allows accurate in-between the dents speeds which are shown in the finder. Wow. I haven't held an MP, but the analogue meter in itself of the M5 called to me saying "I am your totally manual camera." I found a banged up sample, fully tested for full function and shutter accuracy, and it's on the way for $575 !
But I won't use this as my primary film camera. It will be more for careful shooting, and to get the pleasure of the instrument. However I know that most of my use of a film camera will be like my digital shooting, faster paced, event/wedding work, street work, etc. I decided to get an M6 TTL, and it arrived last week. As soon as it came I realized I made a mistake. Nothing wrong at all with the camera. But in my real world context, in a bag with my M8, I saw that I wanted a film M that was as seamless a transition from my M8 as possible. I definitely will shoot them together. So, clearly, that's an M7 for me. Same meter, AE, same shutter dial direction. I'm exchanging the 6 for the 7 tomorrow. (0.85). So for me the MP vs M7 question was answered M7 + inexpensive M5. That's my version of the story! best...Peter
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rolo
Established
If you were a volume shooter the AE of the M7 might be valued highly. If you need to be a fast shooter in variable light the AE has it. If these don't apply, it dosn't matter what you shoot and the simplicity and feel of the MP is worth having.
I shoot 450 frames almost every Saturday afternoon with an MP and I know that life would be easier if I had an M7. What's worse, I use an M3 as a second camera and that gets me tied up in knots at times when I want the other lens on my metered camera. I shot one wedding with an M7 and it was a real joy with very accurate metering and the AE allowed me to concentrate totally on the image aspects, rather than the camera aspects.
I imagine that street photography would benefit equally from the use of an M7.
Sat here typing this I could let my M3 go for an M7 and maybe that's why it currently sits, ready for sale perhaps, in a sealed plastic bag following its recent full service.
They're all great and you can talk yourself in and out of any of them, but for many picture making scenarios the M7 is the creme de la ...... Wide open and forget about evrything but focus and framing.
Regards
I shoot 450 frames almost every Saturday afternoon with an MP and I know that life would be easier if I had an M7. What's worse, I use an M3 as a second camera and that gets me tied up in knots at times when I want the other lens on my metered camera. I shot one wedding with an M7 and it was a real joy with very accurate metering and the AE allowed me to concentrate totally on the image aspects, rather than the camera aspects.
I imagine that street photography would benefit equally from the use of an M7.
Sat here typing this I could let my M3 go for an M7 and maybe that's why it currently sits, ready for sale perhaps, in a sealed plastic bag following its recent full service.
They're all great and you can talk yourself in and out of any of them, but for many picture making scenarios the M7 is the creme de la ...... Wide open and forget about evrything but focus and framing.
Regards
proenca
Proenca
well thank you all for your input. the decision is over. MP bought. Was steep to buy it, price was a bit high, i bough it with a pre-asph 50mm lux as well and when we were checking the boxes, one marvelous thing happened : both camera and lens had the warranties untouched and unfilled. So basically the shop filled them up and I got a MP and a lux at used prices with Leica warranty. Made the deal sound much better.
First impressions though : it feels "the" thing. feels that is handcrafted by some little gnomes in a leica factory now seriously.. its feels quality. in small details. for example, the cocking lever : huge difference between the M7 with a tad of "floating" plasting end and the MP all metal. The camera is all that, small details that add up. On weight as well, i had my M7 for a year wth a 35 F2 ASPH and the MP with the lux.. woot... bit heavier.. but still very nice. I had ( long story ) to buy the kit with some accessories ( rewind crank, lether pouch ( hugh.. ) , handgrip ( not pretty but changes teh camera for much better ) which couldnt be broken down... but worth it since the camera now has a brand new warranty.
Will post in a week or so after some intense shooting One thing I didnt forsee.. the dial its much easier to turn than the M7 one ( the speed ) .. it can be easily turned with the eye on the viewfinder.. not good for guessing the speed, but for touch here or there, its more than fine. pleasant surprise
One thing this was good.. due to the humongus impact on my credit card ( well thats why they exists anyway ) my GAS is cured for the next few months
First impressions though : it feels "the" thing. feels that is handcrafted by some little gnomes in a leica factory
now seriously.. its feels quality. in small details. for example, the cocking lever : huge difference between the M7 with a tad of "floating" plasting end and the MP all metal. The camera is all that, small details that add up. On weight as well, i had my M7 for a year wth a 35 F2 ASPH and the MP with the lux.. woot... bit heavier.. but still very nice. I had ( long story ) to buy the kit with some accessories ( rewind crank, lether pouch ( hugh.. ) , handgrip ( not pretty but changes teh camera for much better ) which couldnt be broken down... but worth it since the camera now has a brand new warranty.Will post in a week or so after some intense shooting
One thing I didnt forsee.. the dial its much easier to turn than the M7 one ( the speed ) .. it can be easily turned with the eye on the viewfinder.. not good for guessing the speed, but for touch here or there, its more than fine. pleasant surprise One thing this was good.. due to the humongus impact on my credit card ( well thats why they exists anyway ) my GAS is cured for the next few months
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maddoc
... likes film again.
Congrats to your purchase ! and take some nice shots ! I think when you get back your first roll of film you won't think anymore about how much money you spent ...
(... about GAS: how about some nice 35mm Summilux ? in a couple of weeks or so ?)
and take some nice shots ! I think when you get back your first roll of film you won't think anymore about how much money you spent ... (... about GAS: how about some nice 35mm Summilux ? in a couple of weeks or so ?
)proenca
Proenca
doc !!!!!!!!!!! I'll kill you ! I said GAS was cured
I think 35 is too close of the 50 FL .. Actually before buying the 50 lux I wondered if I would pick up a nicely priced 35 lux ASPH and a M7.. but I saw the MP and I wanted a lens with charcter... 35 ASPH Cron is very good, sharp but it lacks magic.. i dont know how to explain it.. The 50 lux pre ashp has a very recognizable signature, has it quirks, but when it does the job.. oh boy.
Now a 28 yes, i would like to have it in a future... that means more than couple of weeks.. not that I want it that way, but my credit card repayments want that way... so thats my prescrition for GAS
I think 35 is too close of the 50 FL .. Actually before buying the 50 lux I wondered if I would pick up a nicely priced 35 lux ASPH and a M7.. but I saw the MP and I wanted a lens with charcter... 35 ASPH Cron is very good, sharp but it lacks magic.. i dont know how to explain it.. The 50 lux pre ashp has a very recognizable signature, has it quirks, but when it does the job.. oh boy.
Now a 28 yes, i would like to have it in a future... that means more than couple of weeks.. not that I want it that way, but my credit card repayments want that way... so thats my prescrition for GAS
maddoc
... likes film again.
Come on .... the 35mm Summilux pre-asph is a tiny lens, sharp and makes a nice small combo with the MP for the street ! He He ...
He He ...proenca
Proenca
must... not... listen.... ( and kill doc in the mean while )
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maddoc
... likes film again.
35mm ..... 'lux .....
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Magus
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steve garza
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The MP viewfinder is more than just flare resistant....it's brighter (by 30%)than the M6TTL w/ the optical upgrade. It's my underdstanding the upgrade corrects only for flare. The viewfinder on my M2 is also brighter than the M6TTL. I speak from experience since I started with the M6TTL. I stopped using it at soon as I purchased the M2...now I tend to use the MP a little more than the M2. It is w/o a doubt lighter and quieter.
proenca
Proenca
Magus : thank you mate, yes indeed, thats the idea. Only one lens. Its easier to learn how to shoot regulary on the MP vs M7 if I use only one lens, so I can concentrate solely on exposure / composition rather than what if that lens...
down the road, other lens will come up but so far, until I get at least what I consider decent results. MP will have steeper learning curve than a M7, which basically was a point-select-aperture-shoot glorified - very nice and fast to use though, not bashing it So I'll try to keep distractions on a minimum and give the MP a try for at least a couple of months or good few dozen of rolls. cant be impressed enough by its quality everytime I pick it up though.
Well, lets see, London awaits to be pictured Again ,thank you all on your opinions ! I'll post in a while in a different thread my conclusions, may help M7 users that want to lean over a MP . Lets see.
down the road, other lens will come up but so far, until I get at least what I consider decent results. MP will have steeper learning curve than a M7, which basically was a point-select-aperture-shoot glorified - very nice and fast to use though, not bashing it
So I'll try to keep distractions on a minimum and give the MP a try for at least a couple of months or good few dozen of rolls. cant be impressed enough by its quality everytime I pick it up though.Well, lets see, London awaits to be pictured
Again ,thank you all on your opinions ! I'll post in a while in a different thread my conclusions, may help M7 users that want to lean over a MP . Lets see.