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Has the new update improved on the AWB when shooting under tungsten lighting?
1.092 is available
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usccharles
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i'm loving the ISO and shutter speed readout on the image preview. iso 1250 does seem less grainy, but then my office is pretty bright and i need to see how it does under available light tonight. review is definately much faster than before.
usccharles
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and lookie here?! my black camer bag is actually coming out black and not purple!!
Andy Aitken
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Man, think of the hassle they'd have saved if this had been the standard firmware on release 😱😱😱!
jaapv
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I think it is not correct to say that the magenta cast is gone. It is not. But it has been reduced to about the same level that dedicated profiles can achieve. That is, for not M8 shooters, slightly more than a RD1. For critical situations and some photographers (myself included) IR cut filters are still mandatory.
Ben Z
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That's interesting, and leads to a very ironic situation (as I found with my RD1): the IR filter needed to remove a small magenta cast causes a large cyan corners effect, which then needs processing to remove :bang:
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StuartR
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only with wide angles though...I have not really noticed the cyan cast with my 35mm lens, but it is there with the 28. Looking at Jorge's 15mm shots, it is dramatic...
Sailor Ted
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Take a look at the thread re magenta cast and firmware 1.92. It now seems that the M8 may be no more sensitive to IR the the R-D1. If so this is great news and may negate the need for IR filters in many situations.
PS. Is not cyan shift not easy to fix in Lightroom and other apps?
PS. Is not cyan shift not easy to fix in Lightroom and other apps?
Ben Z
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Ted, I wrote this in that thread: firmware can't reduce the sensor's response to IR. It may be that improvements they made to WB have done something similar to Jamie Roberts' C1 profile, but that has some effect on other colors too. Magenta from black fabric isn't the only color shift due to IR, just the most prevalent.
Meltzer
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Firmware Update
Firmware Update
Update is available at the Leica website under downloads.
Instructions are posted as a .pdf
Absolutely "brain-dead" simple to do.
Firmware Update
Update is available at the Leica website under downloads.
Instructions are posted as a .pdf
Absolutely "brain-dead" simple to do.
jaapv
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As I said : about as good now as the best C1 profiles.Filters still needed, but less.
Ben Z
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So Jaap, does the new firmware have a menu item for whether or not a filter is being used? It would seem that if the firmwares's color settings are predicated on a filter not being present, it would overcompensate and throw the colors off if you are using a filter.
Second question: do you have any of the Heliopans, and if so how are they looking with the new firmware vs the old?
Second question: do you have any of the Heliopans, and if so how are they looking with the new firmware vs the old?
jaapv
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Not yet Ben, that will come when the cyan vignetting of WA lenses will be adressed, version 1.10, predicted for the end of April (fingers crossed.) It seems the mapping of the vignetting and the writing of corrective algorithms is a bit laborious. The switch to enable the filter option is already written into this software, the hex-reading software wizards say, but it is still deactivated.
The Heliopans seem to produce a bit of a cyan cast, which is very easily corrected either in raw conversion or later in postprocessing. The reason is that a 486 filter specific correction seems to have been implemented. The best thing to do is purchase Edmund Ronald's C1 profiles. They are amongst the best available.
The Heliopans seem to produce a bit of a cyan cast, which is very easily corrected either in raw conversion or later in postprocessing. The reason is that a 486 filter specific correction seems to have been implemented. The best thing to do is purchase Edmund Ronald's C1 profiles. They are amongst the best available.
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Ben Z
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So if I'm hearing right, 1.092 (even in RAW ?) is trying to correct the magenta blacks proactively by altering color balance settings in the same way as Jamie's C1 profile regardless of whether there is an IR filter on the lens or not ? Before, with 1.09, a user could choose either to use the C1 profile and no IR filter if he found that satisfactory; or, use IR filters and they cured the contamination and left a good color balance. Now he basically is stuck with a built-in version of Jamie's C1 profile regardless. So the changes to color in 1.092 are an improvement, how?
As regards the Heliopans, if there's now an overall cyan cast it sounds like they probably remove more IR than the 486's. Leica probably found they needed a little more red-reduction in firmware with the 486 because there was still some remnant magenta. That part isn't a biggie AFAIAC because the cyan has to be applied globally and therefore easy to tack the correction onto a batch conversion action. The problem will be for someone who shoots with a mix of Heliopans and 486's/
As regards the Heliopans, if there's now an overall cyan cast it sounds like they probably remove more IR than the 486's. Leica probably found they needed a little more red-reduction in firmware with the 486 because there was still some remnant magenta. That part isn't a biggie AFAIAC because the cyan has to be applied globally and therefore easy to tack the correction onto a batch conversion action. The problem will be for someone who shoots with a mix of Heliopans and 486's/
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Sailor Ted
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Ben could it be the new firmware gets the WB right and that this is the reason for the reduced magenta shift? This would hold true for what I have found to be the case as an M8 owner. Also is it possible from your perspective that the Leica's color balance was somewhat off in firmware 1.9 (especially reds) and that it’s now more accurate irrespective of whether or not an IR filter is used?
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