2016: a glut of cheap high quality digicams that nobody wants???

[Al Patterson]

I don't understand your point. Of course Heart disease is an issue.

About the reality part, maybe you need to come up to my reality?

First, you say 100% will get cancer, not gonna happen. If you can't get my point, re-read you message until you understand what you said and why I found it to be not in line with reality.

And I can 't get to your level of reality, as we have random drug testing where I work....

 

[IEDEI]

i'm glad i don't care about having the 'latest and greatest'....

there might be a lot of photographers these days....but there are alot of really crap photographers who will never even reach the ability of a 5mp camera, let alone a 20+ mp full-frame digital camera. kind of makes me wonder what the point is of people buying such excellent cameras when their abilities are, quite literally, s*it.

 

[mugent]

I can't wait for this time to come... though I have a feeling a few of the more elegant examples will keep their value. I wouldn't mind picking up a RX1 and a D800 in 2016... for a fraction of the price. 🙂 That said, I still think we may be in the golden age of the digital camera.

I think it's starting to happen too, digital cameras are starting to get, well, OK.

 

[ChrisN]

In 2016 people on the Pentax forum will still be fantasizing about Ricoh/Pentax making a full-frame digital slr that they can use their old lenses with.

 

[kaiwasoyokaze]

i'm glad i don't care about having the 'latest and greatest'....

there might be a lot of photographers these days....but there are alot of really crap photographers who will never even reach the ability of a 5mp camera, let alone a 20+ mp full-frame digital camera. kind of makes me wonder what the point is of people buying such excellent cameras when their abilities are, quite literally, s*it.

I think, it's for the real photographers when those cameras hit the 2nd hand market. 😀

judgment on their abilities aside, as long as i am not forced to view and look at their images while im on the internet it's their money and they can do whatever they want with it. much like a guy buying a sports car and never taking it to the track with it. (why buy a lambo to drive in the crowded roads of hk? are you mental?!!!)

back to the topic:
i'm too used to reading about gear churners and GAS sufferers to care about digital anymore. it's too tiring to follow the digital trend and see the latest sony/nikon/canon/olympus etc body come out to replace the last model in less than 3 months.

at least researching with film cameras is easy. all the information is there, and more information is written about 'hidden gems' and the like if there isn't.

 

[dap]

The more the time goes by, the more I stack FB prints over my present +4000 stack. And the more time goes by, they appreciate in value.
By 2020, or 2030, hanging a fine, amazing FB print on a wall will be the highest statement one will be able to make, next to a 4000$ light pendant or a 8000$ hardwood 10' long table from Bali or Indonesia. I'm talking 2013 prices. Add 35% by 2020.

I know I'm riding the good wave.

All this digital BS mainly aims at the Ikea crowd.

Unless those fine FB prints are from an artist with some name recognition I wouldn't expect them to increase in value much. The mystique surrounding silver based prints seems to be on the decline. When it comes down to it most people buy photographs based on the scene depicted or the artist who created them not the materials used to make the print. If the materials used were a big concern I would suggest trading those FB prints in for some alternative process prints...much more exclusive 🙂

 

[Exdsc]

There are those among us who feel more or less guilty at having so much, when others have so little, and those among us for whom the word "enough" apparently has no meaning.

One of the realms of existence in Tibetan Buddhism is peopled by the Hungry Ghosts. They are portrayed as having huge stomachs, and thin necks through which they can never force enough food to fill their stomachs.

Cheers,

R.

People who feel guilty about having 'too much', in actuality, feel pleasure in feeling guilty. Its a double pleasure, possession of material wealth and the guilt that comes with it. But its a sort of pleasure, the same way that pain can be a pleasure for a masochist.


The truth is that people never feel they have enough, in fact those with too much wealth feel even worse because their money can never buy them true happiness and fulfillment that comes with - in photographic terms - quality of one's photos and the reception of it by others... At least the poor photographer has 'the hope' that by better gear and travel he can do 'better'... the wealthy photographer knows with a sinking feeling that no gear or travel will make him 'better', so his perpetually depressed, and wealth makes the depression heavier, because false hope is better than no hope.


Btw, these are some of the wisdom that have been passed down to me by one of my teachers and the more I reflect on it, the more i see how correct he was.

 

[Roger Hicks]

People who feel guilty about having 'too much', in actuality, feel pleasure in feeling guilty. Its a double pleasure, possession of material wealth and the guilt that comes with it. But its a sort of pleasure, the same way that pain can be a pleasure for a masochist.

The truth is that people never feel they have enough, in fact those with too much wealth feel even worse because their money can never buy them true happiness and fulfillment that comes with - in photographic terms - quality of one's photos and the reception of it by others... At least the poor photographer has 'the hope' that by better gear and travel he can do 'better'... the wealthy photographer knows with a sinking feeling that no gear or travel will make him 'better', so his perpetually depressed, and wealth makes the depression heavier, because false hope is better than no hope.

Btw, these are some of the wisdom that have been passed down to me by one of my teachers and the more I reflect on it, the more i see how correct he was.

Much as I see the point in your first para, I am not wholly convinced it is the case. What I'm talking about here is the difference between what most people in the 'rich west' have, and what people in the 'third world' have. There can be no pride nor guilt in merely having been born in a rich country.

Moreover, I strongly disagree with the highlight in the second. There's a big difference between "I'd like to have more" and "I have enough". I really do feel that I have enough material goods, the more so as I have had a number of seriously poor friends, especially in India. Would I like more? Yes. I'd like another M9 and an M and a Monochrom. But I don't think that's quite the same thing.

In photography: yes, I have enough. Does this depress me? No. Why would it?

Again, this world-picture is derived from various wise teachers I have encountered in my life.

Cheers,

R.

 

[Exdsc]

Much as I see the point in your first para, I am not wholly convinced it is the case. What I'm talking about here is the difference between what most people in the 'rich west' have, and what people in the 'third world' have. There can be no pride nor guilt in merely having been born in a rich country.

Moreover, I strongly disagree with the highlight in the second. There's a big difference between "I'd like to have more" and "I have enough". I really do feel that I have enough material goods, the more so as I have had a number of seriously poor friends, especially in India. Would I like more? Yes. I'd like another M9 and an M and a Monochrom. But I don't think that's quite the same thing.

In photography: yes, I have enough. Does this depress me? No. Why would it?

Again, this world-picture is derived from various wise teachers I have encountered in my life.

Cheers,

R.

We're talking in generalities here so the sample size makes up for individual differences but its basic human nature to desire for more, and the more people desire the more unhappy they're - basic Buddhism.

 

[Roger Hicks]

We're talking in generalities here so the sample size makes up for individual differences but its basic human nature to desire for more, and the more people desire the more unhappy they're - basic Buddhism.

Well, quite. Where do you think I got my teachings? I firmly believe it is possible to overcome desire, and that Buddhism is not the only route (though I'd say it's the best/easiest).

Cheers,

R.

 

[rhl-oregon]

In 2016, I hope I can still find a way, with whatever gear old or new, to conjoin worlds as different as what was involved in the following artifact:




The person Tenzin Gyatso is also His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, here in person and as a digital avatar for 12,000 people. I shot this with the now-discontinued Ricoh GXR mounting an early Serenar 100 3.5, one of my favorite lenses (and older than I am at 60).

Gyatso and I are doomed. So maybe is the GXR (though I imagine I will take good care of it through 2016). But the Serenar? In 2016, it will serve as a noble rebuke to everything made more cheaply and disposably since 1950 or so. And so I also hope for my best images and poems, and for the immeasurably greater benefit to humanity that a Dalai Lama embodies, and for the best purposes of the best images made with whatever equipment by my equally mortal friends and companions in perception on this forum.

Replacing conflict (especially violent conflict) with faithful and respectful dialogue: that's the challenge of the 21st century, said HHDL on May 10 2013 in my little college town.

...Though as Chris implied, I wouldn't mind a full-frame Ricoh/Pentax successor to the GXR in 2016...

 

[noimmunity]

I'm really glad to see that this thread, while still veering off-topic, has at least returned to more congenial themes!

Some schools of Buddhism don't teach the elimination or the cessation of desire so much as seeing through the root fallacy of believing there is an I that can serve as the reference point for desire. The appearance of desire is just a ruse or a trap set by the fiction of self to try to convince us that the individual self has some permanent reality. Trying to eliminate it could potentially result in the reinforcement of the false belief in the existence of the self.

For people working on a mortal level, like myself, I would highly recommend Pema Chödron's approach to desire: just let it be. Be as aware and curious about it as you need to be in order to know what it is, yet divest yourself of the notion that desire requires some kind of act or work to go with it (even the act of elimination). Just let it be. "Don't believe everything you think (or desire)."

 

[cody.wms]

I'd argue that we already have a glut of great cameras. You can get a D90 Nikon for under $500 on KEH. You can find first generation micro 4/3rds bodies for $100 or so. I see a couple Fuji X100eds (not X100s) for under $600 now. Those were and are perfectly fine cameras. Are they as good as the newest ones? No, but the arguments for whatever is out in 2016 vs. the current stuff will probably be the same. It'll be wider dynamic range, better high ISO capabilities, and faster autofocus for "us." For the general public it'll be integration with X services, wifi, bluetooth, whatever.

But right now, you can get a great camera for not much. Really so when you look at those earlier m4/3rds cameras.