sockeyed
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Perhaps it was astrolabes. Or cutlasses.
250 Years Voigtländer - Bessa R2M / R3M announced
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wrenhunter
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Oiled paper window panes? 😉sockeyed said:
FrankS
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pinhole lenses?
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wlewisiii
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Heck with the body, I want them to make that lens widely available... 😀
The 50/3.5 Heliar diagram is here: http://www.cameraquest.com/voig101.htm The page in the OP indicates it is a 3 group/5 element design as well, so it should be very similar to the 50/3.5 but 2 stops faster. Pity it's not a collapsible... 😱
IIRC, the Heliar design was Voightlander's design to improve on the Cooke Triplet much as Zeiss was doing at the same time with the Tessar. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if the Sonnar design work wasn't at least partly inspired by it.
William
The 50/3.5 Heliar diagram is here: http://www.cameraquest.com/voig101.htm The page in the OP indicates it is a 3 group/5 element design as well, so it should be very similar to the 50/3.5 but 2 stops faster. Pity it's not a collapsible... 😱
IIRC, the Heliar design was Voightlander's design to improve on the Cooke Triplet much as Zeiss was doing at the same time with the Tessar. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if the Sonnar design work wasn't at least partly inspired by it.
William
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wlewisiii
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As for what, microscope or telescope objectives is the most likely product for an optical works at that time.
William
William
chenick
Nick's my name!
I couldn't work out the difference in features between the R2M and the R2. Maybe there isn't one. I do note the body style is different than the R2 though.
Maybe they regretted discontinuing the R2?
Nick
Maybe they regretted discontinuing the R2?
Nick
PetarDima
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rbiemer said:
Well, that is correctly what I want.Will somebody offer me 20-year credit with no interest? :angel:
celluloidprop
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I don't care about the body, but if they could mass produce that 50/2, I'd certainly be interested.
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Peter
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The moment I thought I have cured my GAS, this have to come along and torment me! I do hope that this commemorative set is not restricted to the Europran market as I want that 50mm/2 lens!
yossarian
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It's odd that none of this is on Cosina's Japanese site as of now. Maybe it is only for
the European market.
the European market.
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wlewisiii
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Just got an email back from Mr. Gandy saying that info will be on his web site soon. So we'll know more then. I have a feeling the German site may well be posted early.
William
William
amateriat
We're all light!
I hate to be the one to throw the proverbial Spaniel in the works, but I have a queasy feeling that Cosina has reverted to the bad-old dual-curtain mechanical shutter for these commemorative Rs. That shutter, IMO, is way too loud for an RF. I'd like to believe that there's something else used in these bodies, but the smart money says no. (Apologies to all Spaniel lovers here.)
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Eric Boehm
GAS Sufferer
wlewisiii said:
William:
Look closely at the top-down view on the German site. I'd bet that the lens *is* collapsible. I think the photo was taken with the lens collapsed. Notice that the aperture index dot is off center and you can't see the numbers clearly. Here's a link to the photos that made me think this:
R3M in black: http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voig...tag6n3l7t.html/$file/bessar3m_top_ret_rgb.jpg
R2M in silver: http://www.voigtlaender.de/cms/voig...tag6n3l3g.html/$file/bessar2m_top_ret_rgb.jpg
Eric
ErnestoJL
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Youré right Eric....it seems to be a collapsible lens.
Besides, it seems that the man who wrote the technical data didn´t know anything about the camera as (at least) it´s not an SLR... (or it doesn´t show as).
AFAICR, I read many years ago that Voigtländer was making optics (lenses) in the 17th century, and perhaps also telescopes and microscopes.
Ernesto
Besides, it seems that the man who wrote the technical data didn´t know anything about the camera as (at least) it´s not an SLR... (or it doesn´t show as).
AFAICR, I read many years ago that Voigtländer was making optics (lenses) in the 17th century, and perhaps also telescopes and microscopes.
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wlewisiii
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Eric Boehm said:
You were right, Eric. The post by Mr. Gandy confirms that it's a collapsible. Oh my aching wallet... :bang: :bang: :bang:
😀
Edit: By the way, welcome to RFF! Hope you enjoy it here.
William
ClaremontPhoto
Jon Claremont
That Voigtlander website is inaccurate in several places. There's another thread here now by Stephen Gandy (of Cameraquest) which is far more informative.
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RML
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I don't see any info on the "M"-versions or the new 50/2 on Gandy's site.
Where is it?
Where is it?
ClaremontPhoto
Jon Claremont
He started a new thread here at RFF.
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former member
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Quick Google:
Voigtlander started out as a scientific instrument maker in 1756, his son took them into the "photographic market" in 1840:
http://www.marriottcameras.co.uk/vito_cameras/introduction.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voigtländer
And I would like to see how they pulled off an F2 version of a Heliar and kept true to the optical formula. I suspect it's more than "name only", so means rare glass and splitting elements.
Voigtlander started out as a scientific instrument maker in 1756, his son took them into the "photographic market" in 1840:
http://www.marriottcameras.co.uk/vito_cameras/introduction.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voigtländer
And I would like to see how they pulled off an F2 version of a Heliar and kept true to the optical formula. I suspect it's more than "name only", so means rare glass and splitting elements.
Mazurka
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Tradition of Confusion
Tradition of Confusion
Here's the Dynar:
As far back as pre-WWII, Voigtlander marketed the Dynar construction as "Heliar", even though the Dynar was actually derived (and thus different) from the Heliar. Cosina is following the misnomer tradition.
It just goes to show that Zeiss, in naming their lenses Sonnars instead of the more precise "Ernostar" designation, was not the first to commit such a sin. 😛 In fact Zeiss goes a lot further by calling Sonnar-variants "Planars" and vice versa. :bang:
Tradition of Confusion
KoNickon said:
Here's the Dynar:
As far back as pre-WWII, Voigtlander marketed the Dynar construction as "Heliar", even though the Dynar was actually derived (and thus different) from the Heliar. Cosina is following the misnomer tradition.
It just goes to show that Zeiss, in naming their lenses Sonnars instead of the more precise "Ernostar" designation, was not the first to commit such a sin. 😛 In fact Zeiss goes a lot further by calling Sonnar-variants "Planars" and vice versa. :bang:
