35 cron pre-asph 1st and 3rd version questions

[Gabriel M.A.]

I took a few test shots with the 35 'cron I and IV. The Cron I had goggles.

I liked the first version best. I really really liked it. I really hate the goggles, though.

Does anybody know if this lens can be modified (by, say, DAG) so it can couple and focus correctly without the goggles (meaning, modifying from goggle version to nongoggled one)?

 

[vrgard]

It certainly makes you wonder how the 40mm Summicron/Rokkors stay so cheap when you get similar performance and bokeh! It must be the lack of many cameras with the right framelines. The 40mm focal length is a favourite so I prefer cameras that have those framelines but on an M It can be a pain for some. A forum member has both a Summicron 40 and a CLE 40 for sale for well under $250 USD, you cant get into classic Leica any cheaper than that!

I think you're right in that it's frameline confusion/challenges rather than image quality. Of course, the price of 40 crons & Rokkors will start going up if we keep spreading the word like this.

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

I only have M6 bodies, so the eyes won't work.

Yes, the goggles work with the M6, I tried it myself. It brings up the 50mm frameline. This lens was designed for use with the M3, whose "widest" frameline is the 50mm.

 

[vrgard]

I took a few test shots with the 35 'cron I and IV. The Cron I had goggles.

I liked the first version best. I really really liked it. I really hate the goggles, though.

Does anybody know if this lens can be modified (by, say, DAG) so it can couple and focus correctly without the goggles (meaning, modifying from goggle version to nongoggled one)?

Gabrielma, care to share what you liked better about the first version? I'm not challenging your conclusion, only wanting to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Thanks,
Randy

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

No problem; I don't have the pics with me on this computer (I'm not even at home). But I loved how nice the contrast was on the 1st version. Not punchy, not low, just "right". Great sharpness over most of the frame, but not "clinically sharp". The oof areas looked nice. And no vignetting.

The 4th version pushed the contrast too far for me, and the oof areas were ok, but I didn't like how it handled the highlights and the shadows, compared to the 1st version. No vignetting either. Yet I felt it lacked something. I don't know, maybe it's been so hyped I expected more from it? In any case, hype or no hype, the 1st version looked nicer, more "faithful" than the 4th.

Only shot in B&W, though.

 

[vrgard]

Thanks for sharing, gabrielma!

-Randy

 

[venchka]

...Of course, the price of 40 crons & Rokkors will start going up if we keep spreading the word like this.

Be quiet! 😉

40mm X 1.3 =

I dare not say it!

 

[Palaeoboy]

Be quiet!

40mm X 1.3 =

I dare not say it!

By Gosh your right! That will give you a standard 50 f2 more compact than the original. Given that you wont use the outer edges of the lens it will be just as sharp too! I hadnt thought of that. I just assumed most would opt with the 35's but they give you closer to 45mm. Woops I did say it! There goes those prices!!

 

[Flyfisher Tom]

Yes, the goggles work with the M6, I tried it myself. It brings up the 50mm frameline. This lens was designed for use with the M3, whose "widest" frameline is the 50mm.

Thanks for the tip !!!

My wife and wallet on the other hand may very well curse you 🙂

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

Thanks for the tip !!!

My wife and wallet on the other hand may very well curse you 🙂

Be warned, though, that the viewfinder lens of the goggles has a reduction factor of I don't know how much (say, 0.8x), in order to make the 50mm framelines suitable for framing as 35mm framelines. So on the M6 it's kind of weird.

This is why I'm asking about whether anybody knows if the goggled 35 'cron can be modified successfully to be used with rangefinder coupling without the goggles.

(and don't tell the boss I gave you the tip!)

 

[kbg32]

Be warned, though, that the viewfinder lens of the goggles has a reduction factor of I don't know how much (say, 0.8x), in order to make the 50mm framelines suitable for framing as 35mm framelines. So on the M6 it's kind of weird.

This is why I'm asking about whether anybody knows if the goggled 35 'cron can be modified successfully to be used with rangefinder coupling without the goggles.

(and don't tell the boss I gave you the tip!)

I have heard that this can be done.

 

[venchka]

#2 & #3 Optically the same

#2 & #3 Optically the same

While re-reading the kb camera Leica lens description, I happened upon this footnote for the Second version:

Note: The type 3 was the same lens with a different lens body.

Version 2-3

That makes everything clear as mud. 😀

 

[venchka]

3rd version 35mm Summicron

3rd version 35mm Summicron

From one of my other threads:

I got a second chance offer on the lens that started this thread. The offer is legit, it came from ebay & is duplicated in my ebay messages. Should I? Shouldn't I? The price isn't a steal, but it's not unreasonable. $790 including shipping. 35mm Summicron, Canada, #2539241. 2nd or 3rd version? 1972, same year as my M5.

Muttering and mumbling.

May I have the Cliff's Notes version, pros and cons, on this lens.

Thanks!

 

[Magus]

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[venchka]

Thanks, Magus. A stabilizing voice for sure. Looks like it's a fake 2nd chance offer anyway.

 

[35mmdelux]

" I reckon the price of the highly regarded #4 is so close to the 35 ASPH that if I had the money, I would stretch for the ASPH model. Or maybe I'm wrong."

I'd go for the V4 or the 35mm SummiluxAspheric. These are considered top-of-the-line by many. The 35mm Cron Asph's boke isn't anything to write home about. Be patient - go 35 Cron V4.

 

[Magus]

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[haagen_dazs]

someone wanted to sell me a version 1 made in germany and said that it was very rare
it can command as high as 2000 usd and up
is the version 1 8 element really that sought after?

 

[haagen_dazs]

I've been looking for a 1st version 8 element,

Tom if you are still looking you can pm me your email
and i can email the person and cc you
someone wanted to sell me a version1 8 element lens (out of my budget)

 

[Flyfisher Tom]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the heads-up , but for $2000, way out of my budget 😉

cheers